2025-11-21 - Brett Baier Interview

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Bret Baier (00:06):

Welcome back to Special Report. Tonight we continue our series looking at unidentified anomal Anomalous Say that Easy phenomena, what many people still call UFOs UAPs. Last week we spoke with the director of the Age of Disclosure. It's a new documentary out about a suspected government coverup over UAPs for decades, which debuts tonight in select theaters around the country is also available on prime video. It's powerful. It features testimony from 34 former and current government officials, including witnesses who have testified before Congress. Earlier we spoke with another whistleblower who is now a Congressional task force member on the UAP subject.

Nancy Mace (00:50):

If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft

David Grusch (00:56):

Biologics came with some of these recoveries? Yeah.

Nancy Mace (01:02):

Were they I guess human or non-human biologics?

David Grusch (01:04):

Non-human.

Bret Baier (01:07):

Well, let's get some insight into the UAP or UFO. It used to be called controversy and what Congress is trying to do about it. Joining us now retired Air Force major, David Grush, who has been a whistleblower on the subject of UFOs, UAPs and government transparency. He's a special advisor now to the house UAP Task Force. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Having me on, Brett. So since then people say where is the evidence? What's happening? Why don't we know more right now? Almost two years later?

David Grusch (01:38):

Well, certainly the last administration didn't help and my hearing of course was during the last administration and they were not exactly super transparent on this issue unfortunately. But now that the task force has been created, I've been able to guide the members within the boundaries of what they're actually cleared for.

Bret Baier (01:57):

When people look at this, they look online, they say there's a lot out there, there's a lot of people talking about encounters. There's a lot of people talking about videos, and we've seen a lot of that. Can we just cut it down to you believe that we have encountered alien beings and that they've come to earth and that we know about it as a US government?

David Grusch (02:20):

That seems to be a case. I don't like to characterize necessarily where they came from. They're definitely some kind of non-human sentience, but it is true, believe it or not, we've recovered the vehicles and we actually have physical proof, and I was actually partially cleared into some of those activities. It was beyond the oral testimony provided to me. I actually had partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting from those programs.

Bret Baier (02:47):

With your own eyes, you saw it?

David Grusch (02:48):

Correct. Yes.

Bret Baier (02:48):

And so when people say this is kooky, this is out there, there's nothing to back it up.

Bill Nelson (02:56):

I don't speak for other parts of the government, but I can tell you nasa, which I speak for, is open and transparent with our data.

Reporter (03:06):

Do you believe what Mr. David Grusch said or is he lying?

Bret Baier (03:10):

Whatever he said, where's the evidence? What do you say?

David Grusch (03:15):

Certainly members of this current administration are very well aware of this reality. Certainly the current president is very knowledgeable on this subject and I trust his leadership on it and I think he's assembled an A team cabinet. And I really believe if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader likely in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, the capabilities and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues.

Donald Trump (03:42):

I have access and I speak to people about it. I've had actually meetings on it. People that are very smart and very solid have said they believe there is something out there and it makes sense that there could be, I've never been convinced even despite that. I just, for some reason it's not my thing.

Bret Baier (04:01):

So you think One he knows and two, he's open to transparency on UAPs.

David Grusch (04:06):

He certainly is very well informed on this issue. Leave it at that. I don't want to get ahead of what the president might want to reveal. Personally,

Bret Baier (04:13):

there's been a role to cover this up. You're saying through administrations and there have been people who have been threatened and told not to testify.

David Grusch (04:22):

I was physically threatened even before I sent in my intelligence community inspector general report under the previous administration. I actually had to go and seek legal protection that way because I was literally in fear both professionally and in my personal life.

Bret Baier (04:37):

And when you mentioned in that testimony of recovering the pilots or remains, non-human. That's something that you saw as far as the intelligence with your eyes?

David Grusch (04:48):

Yes, and it is a very uncomfortable, even for me now as somebody who's seen it, experienced it, even talking about it cause it's so outside a normal person's worldview to understand that there is this biological sentience that have piloted these crafts that don't necessarily look a hundred percent like you and I

Bret Baier (05:09):

Were there pictures? were there...

David Grusch (05:11):

There were, yes, there were.

Bret Baier (05:12):

When I said from another planet or from outer space, you said we don't know where they're from. Is it interdimensional? What are we talking about?

David Grusch (05:20):

I've talked to a lot of, I call gray beards on the program. That is a subject of hot debate on origin. I've, as a guy trained in physics formally as well in my background. I leave an open mind on what the origin is. Certainly there is the extraterrestrial hypothesis and they could be coming from elsewhere off earth, but I don't usually go there. I did not see that data. And I'm not conversant in the high confidence theories that the US government had.

Sabrina Singh (05:49):

I'm not aware of any remains that the department has of any signs of extraterrestrial or activity or technology.

Bret Baier (05:59):

You say we, the US government knows, but there are many other governments around the world do they know?

David Grusch (06:05):

They have their own programs and like I said, two and a half years ago, we have been in arms race with our peer competitors, namely Russia and China, and they have their own programs in this regard. And I was actually able to view a body of intelligence that discussed adversarial programs and I'll leave it at that.

Bret Baier (06:24):

We've recovered things. You say bodies and physical remains. Was there a sense that the motive of whether how they got here, what they were doing, was it peaceful, not peaceful?

David Grusch (06:37):

We've seen a mixed bag of activity and motive and intent, why they're visiting. That's once again, that gets into our assessments. Not necessarily, we can't quite understand the intent of some of the sentient and why they're visiting. Could it because we have interesting genetic material on earth. We're a Jurassic Park tourist attraction for them could be a myriad of reasons.

Bret Baier (07:03):

For the other people who are coming out. You say to them what you've obviously faced intimidation, you talked about harassment. There are reports that others have too.

David Grusch (07:14):

I say that there's hope. Certainly Congress values whistleblower information right now and certainly I believe there's an appetite with the administration to do the right thing on this as well. And there's some other things that are happening behind the scenes that I'll let the administration discuss when they're ready.

Bret Baier (07:33):

Okay. Well we appreciate your time and we'll follow every element. It's fascinating.

David Grusch (07:38):

Thanks for having me on.