2023-10-01 - Yes Theory “The Man Who Provided Proof UFOs Are Real” - David Grusch
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Speaker 1 (00:00:15):
Flying this well, New Mexico in the possession of the army. No way connecting with any secret department of the United States. The Air Force called before a congressional committee said it was hiding nothing. We have not been hiding anything. The sighting has been kept in the unidentified category. We've been perfectly willing to say that too. The Air Force is simply preaching the American people like children. They don't trust them with the facts. It was not anything from this earth. All I could do is keep a mouth shut. We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence by the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (00:01:11):
There are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove truths. Protective layers.
Speaker 3 (00:01:20):
Yes, there have been et visitation, there have been crashed craft, and there is some group of people somewhere that have this knowledge.
Speaker 4 (00:01:28):
Now, the vehicle that you just described, how similar was it to the very first sighting that you had back in 1951?
Speaker 5 (00:01:35):
Clay salmon was basically the same plan farm vehicle. They were a double saucer lin.
Speaker 3 (00:01:44):
I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world, and yet I ask you is not an alien force already among us, the
Speaker 6 (00:01:58):
Speaker 7 (00:02:03):
We have nothing that goes that fast and just starts climbing at
Speaker 8 (00:02:06):
Will. There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable path. Would you
Speaker 7 (00:02:21):
Ever open up Roswell? Let us know what's really going on there.
Speaker 9 (00:02:23):
So many people ask me that question. I won't talk to you about what I know about it, but it's very interesting. President
Speaker 10 (00:02:29):
Obama says that there is records of objects in the skies, these unidentified aerial phenomenon, and he says, we don't know exactly what they are. What do you think that it's?
Speaker 3 (00:02:42):
I would ask him again. Thank you.
Speaker 11 (00:02:46):
Apparently the military have hundreds of these encounters, but most of the time they keep it to themselves. There's a stigma and so a lot of these sightings are simply not reported. The flood gates could be open as now the stigma is beginning to be removed. A Former US intelligence official, an Air Force veteran claims, a top secret program is withholding evidence of alien spacecrafts.
Speaker 14 (00:03:10):
Air Force veteran David Grush is exposing what he calls a top secret military program that is reportedly found wreckage of fully intact UFOs,
David Grusch (00:03:20):
Non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.
Speaker 15 (00:03:25):
We have spacecraft from another species
David Grusch (00:03:29):
We do. Yeah.
Ross Coulthart:
How many?
David Grusch:
Quite a number
Speaker 16 (00:03:33):
Congress this week holding its first hearing on UFOs in more than 50
Speaker 17 (00:03:37):
Years to begin with a highly anticipated hearing on Capitol Hill about unidentified flying objects.
Speaker 18 (00:03:42):
He is going to tell committee members that he has knowledge of a covert government program to recover. Crashed alien spacecraft. No. Wow. So long in the making, bro. So long in the making.
Speaker 17 (00:04:15):
Hey, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you Dave. Let's do you travel light, man.
David Grusch (00:04:21):
I do. I roll my clothes in front then having to put a tie on and a suit jacket's. Not all of that is in the bag. Not bag. Oh yeah, I rolled it.
Speaker 17 (00:04:36):
Wow. That's hilarious.
David Grusch (00:04:37):
The large guy has the smallest case.
Speaker 19 (00:04:42):
So how did I end up in a car with the UFO whistleblower testifying in front of Congress tomorrow to let the world know that we're not alone for that we have to go back three years where I found myself in the middle of a very bizarre experience that would push me to ask some of the most fundamental questions I've ever dared to ask about the nature of existence itself. In the fall of 2020 with no prior interest in the topic, I visited a small town in Massachusetts to talk to a number of people who had experienced a mass sighting of UFOs. In September of 1969, over 300 people from a few neighboring towns saw something in the sky that defied our known laws of physics
Speaker 20 (00:05:16):
And it just hovered right there. Not a sound, nothing
Speaker 19 (00:05:21):
But even more bizarre than that. Dozens of children went missing that night and claimed to have ended up on board of a
Speaker 21 (00:05:26):
Craft. And then the only thing I can remember after that was being levitated over on the street.
Speaker 19 (00:05:33):
I had never felt more of an unsettling disconnection between my intuition and rationale. On one hand, I felt an overwhelming sense of empathy towards these sincere humans who opened up to me about their traumatic events. And on the other hand, those events had no place in my construct of reality. Was I being lied to by dozens of people who had nothing to gain from this besides humiliation and judgment, or is what I consider to be reality missing something In the months that followed, I started gradually researching the phenomenon. I watched hundreds of witness testimonies from civilians and military personnel from all over the world. What really stood out to me was the fact that the majority of witnesses described similar details about what they experienced while unaware of each other's stories. And even though the mere mention of the subject has been systematically stigmatized in recent years, things have changed quite a bit.
Speaker 13 (00:06:22):
Speaker 19 (00:06:36):
The public's interest in UFOs started rising after the New York Times published an article in 2017 which confirmed that there was indeed a secret Pentagon program studying UFOs. After years of denying it with more awareness on the issue came more pressure on the US government, which culminated in more demands for some serious answers on the UFO mystery. Then in June of this year, a debrief article and a news nation interview broke out about an American whistleblower who had some groundbreaking information to share with the world to
Speaker 14 (00:07:03):
Bring you a news nation exclusive interview with a man. We're calling the UFO whistleblower. Davids is a career intelligence official who this week is making some bombshell claims of a US government coverup. Going back nearly a century, the
David Grusch (00:07:19):
UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.
Speaker 15 (00:07:25):
When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?
David Grusch (00:07:27):
These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles. The
Speaker 15 (00:07:32):
United States has spacecraft intact craft.
David Grusch (00:07:37):
We do
Speaker 19 (00:07:38):
That. Secret program's mandate was defined and retrieved, crashed or landed UFOs in order to reverse engineer them for technology that the government can use. And since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, Dave was called to the stand to back up his claims under oath for the first time in US history. Okay, but how did I meet Dave in the first place? This is the man who connected the dots. Jesse Michaels and I met in 2022 due to our mutual interest in the phenomenon, and we've since gone on a few truths seeking adventures together. He is one of the brightest and most well-read multidisciplinary thinkers I have ever met, and his curiosity on the subject has massively inspired me. Jesse and Dave had connected a year prior to the hearing and just a few days before it was scheduled in dc, Jesse organized the call to introduce me to Dave, which by the end of it I was convinced that his story had to be told and not through the lens of a distort news cycle, but rather a meaningful exploration of his story and motives as a human. On that same call, I took a shot in the dark and asked Dave if he would let us document his story as the congressional hearing unfolded. And to my complete surprise, he said yes. In fact, we were the only ones who had this type of access to Dave during the hearing and the days that followed
Speaker 22 (00:08:46):
Seeking discomfort. Yeah, I was
David Grusch (00:08:47):
Going to say this is the ultimate seeking discomfort.
Speaker 22 (00:08:50):
Seriously.
Speaker 19 (00:08:50):
It's not just seeking discomfort on an individual level to be in the place that you're in today. It's what you're telling to humanity is a moment of seeking discomfort for a collective. How do you expect this to Go?
David Grusch (00:09:02):
I think there's the people who have been kind of following the subject for years. I think it might be a little bit of a let down because I can't necessarily say everything. I know it and I'm working on trying to get more things cleared for the hearing. Still literally as I'm talking to the DOD security office, as I was getting off the plane, please get something approved by 10:00 AM because I wanted to be able to provide more detail. There's a certain thing where it's like, shouldn't it be the president saying this stuff? I don't want to be the purveyor of disclosure because I don't have all the data. I'm not in that leadership position and I am just trying to use a public pressure to get the executive branch to make a decision on what to release. All the checks I could possibly do within my kind of official capacity.
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Realized it was real. And then during that investigation I had a lot of pushback that was very unfortunate. Reprisal was against me and stuff, and that kind of was what led me to file the whistleblower complaint, A for my own protection, but B was to kind of sound the alarm. They tried to claim all these things against me, conduct wise, mental health and all this other unfortunate stuff. I was in combat in Afghanistan 2013. I was on convoys outside the wire. I had friend die, got blown up, and all this other stuff, baggage that I had for two, three years after coming back and I got diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, sought treatment. I got help, good to go. But there was an agency that tried to dig that back up and say, oh, Dave still has ongoing issues, unmitigated. We need to pull his clearance. And then I had to show my medical records and be like, no dude, I sought treatment. Still do because that's what you do. And they tried to use that against me. It was crazy. I spent basically two years fighting that battle, appealed it, won it, cleared of all allegations and I still have my security clearance.
Speaker 19 (00:11:10):
Yeah,
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It's been 20 minutes. I can't even begin to express. Yeah, I feel sad that he had to go through what he had to go through to be able to simply share the truth and for someone who's served the country and for that to be used against him. It's weird because it's both an exciting position to be hearing this stuff straight from him, but also very sad to see what he went through to be in the place that he is in today. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (00:11:51):
Hi, I'm Diane Ada. We begin with a highly hearing on Capitol Hill about unidentified flying objects or UFOs. Three men who previously served in the military are set to speak publicly about what they saw in the sky and heard behind closed doors.
Speaker 19 (00:12:06):
It is the day of the hearing. We've got people waiting in line for us, which means that we'll just go swap with them and be able to go into the hearing.
Speaker 23 (00:12:21):
Good morning.
David Grusch (00:12:26):
Difficult. Yeah. Humidity's not too bad yet. Keep the suit jacket off the air
Speaker 19 (00:12:32):
CIt looks amazing for having been
David Grusch (00:12:34):
Rolled up in a backpack. Thank you. Got to pull it tight. I used to go to the Pentagon a lot. I'd bring a sweat rag with me in the summer. Once I enter the Pentagon, I'm like wiping my sweat off. So
Speaker 23 (00:12:47):
How are you feeling?
David Grusch (00:12:48):
I was a little restless last night, but I was told last night that they requested me to be cleared for a closed session after today, but the request was denied. I was blocked. So that's obvious obstruction. Yeah. Hopefully I can make a difference and I'm the guy that will inspire more people to go public.
Speaker 19 (00:13:15):
He's in. I just can't imagine that amount of pressure he's under right now coming out to say something that people in this government and other governments have wanted to be silenced for the past 70 to 80 years. Right now we're going to go take our position in line because they're going to open in about an hour. So
Speaker 18 (00:13:34):
He is going to tell committee members that he has knowledge through his work of a covert government program to recover crashed alien spacecraft under penalty of perjury before Congress. Those are the allegations that this whistleblower David Grush is going to make. Right through these doors right here.
Speaker 23 (00:13:58):
Thank you. Literally first in line. Lemme stand here since 2:00 AM
Speaker 19 (00:14:10):
One minute away from going into what could potentially be a pivotal moment for humanity.
Speaker 18 (00:14:20):
You see right now that there are people that are coming in, but we just got some news and what you're about to see is these doors close relatively quickly and I think there you go. That may be all that there is. The reason that you just saw that is because we have this line here. You have another line around that corner, but they only have about six or seven available seats. You've got, again, hundreds of people waiting in line, if not more than that. So what I'm told is there is going to be an overflow from Ryan that's set up. So the interest is
Speaker 23 (00:14:50):
Huge obviously, and we're seeing it firsthand here today.
Speaker 24 (00:15:13):
The subcommittee hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAPs will come to
Speaker 10 (00:15:19):
Order. The UFO is emerging as a major topic of global importance.
Speaker 24 (00:15:23):
Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you guide?
David Grusch (00:15:31):
I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this information to my superior superiors and multiple inspectors general and in effect becoming a whistleblower
Speaker 25 (00:15:50):
During a training mission in warning area whiskey 72 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach two F 18 super hornets were split by UAP. The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft. Soon these encounters became so frequent that aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs.
Speaker 26 (00:16:10):
If you were me, where would you look? Titles, programs, departments, regions. If you could just name anything,
David Grusch (00:16:21):
I'd be happy to give you that in enclosed environment. I can tell you specifically.
Speaker 26 (00:16:25):
Thank you. Do
Speaker 27 (00:16:26):
You believe our government
Speaker 23 (00:16:26):
Has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials?
David Grusch (00:16:31):
Something I can't discuss in public setting. Do you
Speaker 10 (00:16:34):
Believe that our government is in possession
Speaker 23 (00:16:36):
Of UAPs?
David Grusch (00:16:38):
Absolutely. Based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.
Speaker 10 (00:16:42):
Are you aware of any individuals that are participating in reverse engineering programs for non-terrestrial craft?
David Grusch (00:16:47):
Personally? Yes.
Speaker 24 (00:16:49):
Do you believe UAPs pose a potential threat to our national security?
Speaker 7 (00:16:53):
Yes. And here's why. The technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had and you could put that anywhere you're talking thinking, go into space, go someplace, drop down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants and leave and there's nothing we can do about it. Nothing. Gotcha.
Speaker 10 (00:17:11):
Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?
David Grusch (00:17:18):
Yes.
Speaker 27 (00:17:19):
In the last couple of years, have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues?
David Grusch (00:17:28):
Yes. Personally
Speaker 27 (00:17:29):
I just want everyone to note that he's coming forward in fear of his life to put in perspective. If they were really not scared about this information coming out, why would someone be intimidated like that?
Speaker 10 (00:17:40):
I want to thank everybody. We made history today.
Speaker 23 (00:17:49):
I
Speaker 19 (00:17:49):
Have no baseline with knowing if this went well or not, but in my perspective there was a lot of repetition. A lot of the questions were just alluding to things that were already mentioned in public before. I wish there was a lot more attention on Dave and Dave's
Speaker 23 (00:18:02):
Story. Why is this case significant into a sentence? Why is this?
Speaker 10 (00:18:08):
It all boils down to transparency. People don't trust government for good reason. We need to get this information out worldwide. The world could benefit from this.
Speaker 23 (00:18:19):
Thank you. Thank you, Brad.
Speaker 19 (00:18:25):
Even though the hearing felt like a great step in the right direction, it still left me pretty frustrated that most questions asked were from the lens of the national security interests of the US when clearly the implications of this topic are far beyond that. And that gave me the idea to do a different type of hearing with Dave the following day. It is now the day after the hearing and the news has gone absolutely viral all over the world.
Speaker 23 (00:18:46):
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Speaker 28 (00:18:56):
Phenomena.
Speaker 23 (00:19:01):
David
Speaker 19 (00:19:25):
Having friends that I had talked to about this topic years ago hit me up being like, oh my God, what is this? What's going on? And an idea that we had honestly after the hearing is what it would look like to set up a true public hearing where Dave gets the answer questions from strangers who are coming here not having any idea that they're going to be talking to the whistleblower that is telling humanity that we're not alone. I posted on Instagram last night just being like, Hey, if you are a skeptic or a believer in UFOs, please send me your most pressing question. We set up this little public hearing in the rooftop of our hotel and now we're just going to go out and say hi to people and bring them up here
Speaker 23 (00:20:03):
Just for Hi guys, nice to meet you. Hi, how are you?
Speaker 19 (00:20:10):
Alright guys. We're going to Antarctica
Speaker 23 (00:20:11):
Altogether. And we're
Speaker 19 (00:20:14):
They s him is the only group of people that will show up to something they have absolutely no idea, but I promise it's going to be worth it. I still can't say much until we get up there.
Speaker 23 (00:20:24):
Let's seek this comfort and follow me. Good morning. Good.
Speaker 19 (00:20:49):
Perfect. We're all set up. All set. Public hearing. Public hearing Number two. How about you guys? This group is a pretty even split between skeptics and believers and we want both perspectives to be represented here in the questions that you asked. So this is a true public here or for everyone?
David Grusch (00:21:21):
Yeah, we told me last night. I'm like, alright.
Speaker 19 (00:21:25):
Like, oh shit, it's going to be crazy. Have a coffee. How'd you feel after yesterday? Because I haven't seen good. I mean
David Grusch (00:21:33):
It felt like when I was playing basketball in high school, you get the pre-game jitters, you're like, oh my god, what's going to go on? It was so cool to see the bipartisan shit. It just gotten so bad over the last 10 years where the liberals and the super conservatives and I thought it was the craziest thing, I was telling him in the car I have AOC and mag Gaetz agreeing on something.
Speaker 19 (00:21:55):
We open the floor, open the floor on,
Speaker 29 (00:21:58):
Oh, I guess one of the questions that I have is why do the politicians, why do the people who are higher up feel like they need to hide the evidence? Or why do they not want us to know that?
Speaker 19 (00:22:08):
Yeah,
David Grusch (00:22:09):
They can only know what the mindset was multiple decades ago and anything in government, they're resistant to change. So this is the way we set it up. They basically took the Manhattan project secrecy and overlay it on this issue and then they realized the military and the national defense potential if the reverse engineering basically was successful, so we're going to lock it down. And then you remember trusting government was high back in the forties and then also society was less secular. So there's worried about the religious ontological shocks as well. And they never really developed a, we'll call it disclosure plan for what it's worth, and they just were like, this is the way it's been and we're going to keep it that way and we don't want Russia and China to be exposed to any of this info. Fortunately, it's that kind of low energy thinking.
Speaker 19 (00:22:56):
Yeah. Next question please, Chris.
Speaker 30 (00:23:00):
So continuing from what you were saying, are we safe? I feel like a human species. I mean I might have watched too many movies.
David Grusch (00:23:08):
I mean we can only through external observation in a humanistic lens kind of in see intent if it's malice or benevolent, if the universe certainly has a yin and yang, so they're certainly dark with light. So I think it's a mixed bag. It's just like humans, right? Humans are generally kind, but we also kill animals for food. And if you were a cow, you'd be like, these evil humans are going to chop me up and eat me. So we're not actually benevolent, or excuse me, malevolent as a whole, but some lower sentient species would see us as malevolent. So it's what lens you look at through and I'd be very general in this to protect this person's identity because they're still on active duty. But I remember interviewing a guy and I have a background in psychological analysis and other stuff to assess people, for three hours and it was a certain very senior Navy individual that saw , he was going to work at a certain facility in the morning, not drunk, not high, and a 300 foot triangular craft hovered over his car for a couple minutes and he couldn't even process what he was seeing.
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But then he took pictures of his car after the incident and all the zenith upper facing decks of his car were all got hit with ionizing radiation ultraviolet because the paint became milky. His headlights totally went, they were totally clear his car was perfect before the incident. And I'm like, holy crap, you have physical artifacts. The guy we assessed, he had a normal psychological composition, no weird belief system. He's just a dude that was going to work at a navy base and he had a freaking huge craft, at least the physical proof he provided, he drew what he saw, no sound, these weird omnidirectional lights, kind of that classic triangle. I'm like, holy shit, I didn't believe in UFOs, but these guys are like, they can't be lying to me. They certainly are credible guys that have a lot to lose. He was super scared to come forward. He didn't tell his wife for five years. That was, I think an inflection point for me where I'm like, okay, there's something going on that's not adversarial tech. Talking to these people that were literally in tears telling me this stuff. It was this emotional thing that they could not process analytically what they were seeing. It was totally beyond their comprehension. So for what it's worth, I've never seen anything, believe it or not. So I came in as nonbelievers,
Speaker 31 (00:25:30):
And this is coming as somebody who's a bit of a skeptic, I understand that the us, Russian China are very, very good at secrecy in maintain that area of secrecy. But there's 180 some odd countries, 190 some odd other countries. How come we haven't seen more of this coming out from maybe other smaller countries? I mean you mentioned Grenada, you mentioned San Marino. Have we seen more of this? People have just been not paying attention. Has it been a lot of forcing them into silence?
David Grusch (00:25:53):
So there are certainly friendly governments both across the pond and we'll say local to where we are landmass that are for this, and a lot of them know that they got a raw deal with the us. They were basically part of the secrecy through kind of agreements like bilateral unilateral agreements and they're like, they kind of want to be police me because they do realize it was a bad deal with the ecosystem secrecy. Some people, one of their arguments is like, oh, how would they keep the secret? I'm like, dude, I was cleared to some of the most nations most sensitive programs. I used to handle the PDB full access to most DOD activities and most of the stuff broad programs that we're enduring have never leaked. So the US and its allies are very good at secrecy to include programs that are, we'll say, global in nature and really it's been leaking like a sieve in some weird way for many decades now. It's been mixed in with some BSS in ufology and stuff, but the general gist of it's actually been out there for a long time. It has been leaking in some sense.
Speaker 29 (00:27:03):
I guess I want to open it up. I just want to ask, why don't we discuss cognitive biases just in general where you grew up defines if I look up at something in the sky and I'm looking for something and I really want it, then it's going to be true. Or maybe it's the fact that as a child you saw aliens that were green and they had antennas and so I don't know. I guess I'm just wondering why we're coming to conclusions about an existing
David Grusch (00:27:28):
Oh yeah,
Speaker 29 (00:27:29):
Because I'm skeptical, I guess. I think maybe it's fabricated to an extent based on our
David Grusch (00:27:34):
Beliefs. Yeah, it's like manifesting you in reality based on your... No, I totally get that. Even some of the metaphysics, and I was super careful with confirmation bias and all that and I came in skeptical that there's the fermi paradox or because Rico Fermi was famously like, well, where are they overtly landing on the White House lawn kind of thing. But because we have tangible physical evidence, at least the US government does, there is a, there there on their existence, but what are they Actually? Like we talked about, it's like if they do exhibit bilateral symmetry and their bipedal and everything, that's like, wow, what is the chance and biologically for them to develop in a similar way than us? What if it's an intelligence engineering beings that look like us for ease of contact, totally worth looking into it. And I wish it was a area of study that wasn't stigmatized anymore and people can, here's the data the government has figure it out.
Speaker 22 (00:28:34):
A guy who's a tenured PhD, Nobel nominee at Stanford who claims to have crash parts with isotope ratios, not from the earth. He was studying it. You have a guy at Harvard who's a head of the astrophysics department who has set up an entire institute that is setting up sensors to find these things. We should never evangelize or proselytize the answer being there are definitely aliens, but I think it's reality is a lot weirder than we think probably due to a lot of empirical stuff that people have picked up and it's our job to look into it. This
Speaker 19 (00:29:06):
Is more about getting people to ask bigger, better questions rather than necessarily have answers. What we're creating with Dave and Jesse, this becomes an invitation for people to look deeper into this and we're going to make sure that we're going to leave in the description, the list of things to read, things to watch, interviews, to check out.
David Grusch (00:29:23):
My biggest outrage was just like, wait, if this was broadly studied, nuclear physics, how you make a nuclear bomb classified physics not, and the sequestration of astrobiology, astrophysics, et cetera, where you could build undergraduate, graduate, and postdoctoral programs of record to actually study this shit openly. Holy shit, that's way better and we can potentially develop novel solutions for energy, et cetera. Who knows? But no, it was sequestered because it's this arms race thing. I'm like, man, this is ridiculous. And that was another reason why a blood
Speaker 32 (00:29:58):
Has this changed your perception on theology?
David Grusch (00:30:02):
I grew up Roman Catholic as a kid, the whole confirmation thing, C, C, D and all that, I was reasonably religious, but nothing like crazy, kind of average. Studied physics. I became kind of agnostic. I was like, eh, I don't know about all this kind of woowoo stuff that the church espouses and stuff. And then oddly enough, I've kind of come full circle. I think about the people, the journey I had and the most random people that I've known that were placed in my life 14 years ago, shut the door in my office at NGA and they're like, look dude. And they started telling me all this stuff that I was, and they brought these crazy intel reports and I was like, I can't believe I'm even reading this. And it was so wild. I mean really, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic at all. And yeah, I guess I've kind of come full circle. It's a really weird journey. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 33 (00:30:49):
What does the future look like? I mean it seems like all we can do is research right now.
David Grusch (00:30:54):
Yeah. What is happening next is I know there's some intel officers and other people in and out of government, they're about to file complaints similar to what I did. They said fuck it. And then they were on these programs like firsthand dudes, not people telling me stuff. Literally the dudes touching the stuff. February of 2024, we should have a presidential panel on UAP disclosure looking at the crash retrieval issue and everything. And then within 300 days of the enactment of the act, we're going to get some kind of, I think government statement next year on this topic. The tsunami wave is building and I don't think we're going to totally backpedal anymore. Other than that, it would be totally speculation, but that's at least what's going to come. I think 2024 is going to be, knock on wood, potentially wild in a good way. So yeah.
Speaker 33 (00:31:42):
Do you think this is going to make countries and especially us adversaries work together or kind of push them apart?
David Grusch (00:31:48):
I'm hoping it's going to be Deescalatory when it comes to peer competition and we have bigger things to either look at, worry about, et cetera. And I understand it's not going to create some utopian society where nobody's going to care about feudalistic dominance like Russia and China, it's South China Sea, Ukraine, whatever. But I hope that it's a moment of pause where people could be like, okay, we need to look at our priorities and at least come together in some sense more than we are now. I think it's a uniting thing versus a dividing thing. I hope that's a result of what I did. That'd be good for me. I was in war and I've seen the evils of the world and I'd rather not keep on going. Humanity's not going down a good path right now. I think everybody can agree it's divergent, both sociologically and there's these very dangerous hot wars that could lead to a World War II type scenario.
Speaker 19 (00:32:43):
Yeah, I think there's something so beautiful in us reassessing our entire existence and really figuring out how do we move forward if reality is even crazier than we ever thought and the only thing we can do is to influence our local environments and just be as good and as kind and as loving as we possibly can, then that's what's going to ripple into this greater reality that we're a part of. I hope you guys realize how truly unique slash historic there is certainly millions of people after yesterday that would want to be in this room having this conversation. So it is really, really wild that we get to have this opportunity. Thank you for sitting.
Speaker 23 (00:33:32):
Say I'm
Speaker 19 (00:33:39):
Proud of. Is he smart? The craziest part is that we're going home with him today. We're flying back
Speaker 34 (00:33:46):
Colorado,
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So now we're about to go to Dave's house. Everyone is trying to do their best to be as sensitive and caring about the topic as much as possible. As he said the other day, he would use rather not to do this and rather want someone else to do it, but it feels that he have to do it and he have all my respect. There's this quote saying that speak even if your voice is shaking. The thing with Dave is that his voice never shakes. It feels like he's the most confident man I met in years. It's beautiful.
David Grusch (00:35:20):
See though, we don't film exterior, just making sure nobody knows I live here.
Speaker 23 (00:35:28):
That's good. Thank you for having us. Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 19 (00:35:59):
It feels pretty surreal to be in his house right now, but his phone has not stopped ringing, hanging up on reporters all day. He's
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Such a cutie. Yeah, it's such a cutie. That's great feeling during it for you.
Speaker 35 (00:36:13):
I probably cried through the first hour of it, just relief and everybody treated him with respect. Everybody had done their research. I think it just went so well from the previous four years of him getting drug through the mud. It was just a big relief.
David Grusch (00:36:32):
Yeah,
Speaker 19 (00:36:33):
Absolutely. And did you have any views or opinions on the phenomenon
Speaker 16 (00:36:37):
Before?
Speaker 35 (00:36:38):
No, not really. I'm not a big sci-fi person. He would come home and tell me general stuff and I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, there's probably aliens that makes sense.
Speaker 34 (00:36:52):
I think Dave is inspiring people beyond this subject. He dares to speak about something, gives the opportunity to other people to speak about something. He's enabling other people to speak their truth.
Speaker 35 (00:37:04):
Wow. It's almost kind of BTS style
Speaker 19 (00:37:10):
For the next few hours. Jesse sat down with Dave for the most in-depth public interview that Dave has given to date. You can watch it on Jesse's channel, so please check it out after this one. At this point we had all been going nonstop on the topic since the hearing took place, so we decided to have a change of pace after Dave invited us out on an adventure,
David Grusch (00:37:28):
The fastest lava, and at the end everybody was like, oh my god, he's the lama's just going for
Speaker 19 (00:37:32):
Dave ran this morning and a love a race with his wife. They play 17th. So
David Grusch (00:37:41):
Buddy Colorado tradition, I'm holding up from America.
Speaker 34 (00:37:56):
This is apparently one of Dave favorite stuff to do in the world, so let's do some A to B together with him. See Dave being Dave. Being
David Grusch (00:38:02):
Dave, I've minored in German and college and I wasn't majoring in physics, so I've just kept up with the language over the years.
Speaker 19 (00:38:26):
And before we said goodbye to Dave, we went on one last hike to get some answers to some of our biggest unanswered questions. Why did you decide to do this with us?
David Grusch (00:38:35):
Well, I was watching your episodes and I liked their vibe. A friend of mine two years ago was like, Hey, you ever watched a yes theory and I have a decent subscription. You touch the younger demographic, it's uplifting. You bring in cultures, you uniting cultures and everything. And I thought that's great. As somebody who's unfortunately been on the side of state versus state and all that, seeing a different, more uniting kind of message. It was nice to see. And I saw how you affect a lot of people and just the positive vibes and I thought it would make sense to go through you guys
Speaker 19 (00:39:11):
Over the past days, you shared with us that you were diagnosed to be on the autism spectrum. How has this served you in your life, in your career, and how has it hindered you?
David Grusch (00:39:24):
Yeah, I mean I didn't know that I was autistic until I was in my early thirties, and I always wondered why in my personal life if I get fixated on something and obsessed what was going on with that. I mean, it served me well in the government. I was super good at doing intel and Dave, we want you to targets this facility. You have six months, figure out everything. And of course I do and that was very good. But I think, yeah, it obviously causes me to be very detail oriented. I want to always tell the truth.
Speaker 19 (00:39:59):
But your instinct is just to say it as it is.
David Grusch (00:40:01):
I have to, I have no filter.
Speaker 19 (00:40:03):
What Would you tell a normal person who is processing all this? Would you give an advice or if you could give an advice to a normal person watching, what would you tell that person?
David Grusch (00:40:13):
Yeah, I mean I empathize with kind of the shocking nature it enters. It's a weird thing to enter your worldview, right? It's holy crap. But think about it, we're just revealing another aspect in nature. It's just another discovery like splitting the atom or the fact that the solar system is heliocentric and the earth's not in the center. So the humankind we're not the apex of sentience potentially. And there's other life out there, whether you believe in God or not. It paints nature, paints with a broad brush and we're just revealing another really, I think, exciting aspect of nature that I think that'll make us feel a lot less lonely. And I like what I was telling you about, I mean, I think anybody who's struggling with meaning or depression or whatever, I mean maybe this will kind of help to get them excited and for young people thinking about what they want to study, and I hope this inspires people to want to know more. I mean, it's a little scary to find out some pretty shocking things that really can change your worldview, but I think it's generally for the best. Yeah.
Speaker 19 (00:41:17):
A question on the people that have come forward to, because you said that they're colleagues and people that they've worked with for over a decade. I can't even imagine the psychological weight that is on one of the people that are in the program on a personal level, how are they even existing?
David Grusch (00:41:32):
I think that they wanted to get the weight off their shoulder, kind of explain what they thought was wrong, even though they signed a non-disclosure. They're patriotic, they're really good people. These are not evil people or anything like that, but they thought it was a raw deal. The funny thing is if you're in a unacknowledged program, you don't even know what you're getting briefed to when you are like, Hey, we need you to sign NDA, you're going to be on something cool, but what is it we can't tell you until you sign? And then they sign it and then they see all the stipulations, how it's enforced. We're briefed in a very threatening manner, and I think they probably wish they never signed. It just
Speaker 22 (00:42:13):
Shows to the cynics too who are like, it would've come out, there'd be photos or They're,
David Grusch (00:42:18):
no, they enforced this brutally
Speaker 22 (00:42:19):
Of brutal controls in place, brutal enforcement. And what was the last special access program that leaked? They don't generally leak.
David Grusch (00:42:26):
No People are like, oh dude, wouldn't it be broadly leaked or whatever. I'm like, as somebody who is super cleared to a lot of that conventional stuff over the years, stuff never leaks. It doesn't come out. There are plenty of things that are pretty serious. They're broad that have never seen the light of day. The psychology of the typical career, government, worker right? paycheck pension, maintain clearance. So if any of that's threatened, they're going to capitulate in most cases. And that was basically what happened to me, but I just decided to fight the system. I stumbled upon this, which arguably is the most interesting and fascinating and exciting thing ever. Well, why would I go back to doing my normal job and just shutting my mouth and sitting in my office and doing regular national defense stuff because our priorities are not even right if this other thing is legit. So
Speaker 19 (00:43:18):
Do you think the fact that your divergent was this curve ball, do you think that came into play because your response is so different than what Yeah,
David Grusch (00:43:26):
I think my response is so analytical. I don't even think about it emotionally. My divergence really helped keep the train on the tracks looking at this stuff. They didn't consider my zests to continue the mission because once you get me going, it's hard to pull the brakes on the train.
Speaker 19 (00:43:45):
Because we did something really special right after the hearing, the following morning, we just brought in the sfe into the room. And I would say this had to be your first time taking questions from the public like that. No.
David Grusch (00:43:55):
Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. I've never done that. Ever.
Speaker 19 (00:43:58):
How did it feel to just be receiving questions that you just know that they're coming from curiosity, not an agenda?
David Grusch (00:44:05):
People seem genuinely interested. I mean, even if they were skeptical, that's super healthy. You shouldn't just be like, oh yeah, if he says it, it's totally legit. Well do your own lit review or whatever. And I thought it was super cool. Yeah, and that was cool to see what people were thinking, and it gives me kind of a pulse on non-government people and what their concerns are, not media heads or whatever.
Speaker 22 (00:44:29):
One sort of bombshell soundbite the hearing is Congresswoman Nancy Mace asked you about biologics
Speaker 29 (00:44:34):
If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
David Grusch (00:44:42):
As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it is a mind blowing side of it. It's a little easy to imagine an artifact or whatever, but when you start talking about the biological side of it, it really throws you for a loop psychologically. It did for me. And I talked to the people that were on that aspect of the program, if you will, and I mean, it comes with the territory. I mean, buckle up, I guess it's a thing.
Speaker 22 (00:45:18):
Were they alive? Were they dead?
David Grusch (00:45:20):
I don't want to get into specifics. Yeah, I know a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 22 (00:45:23):
Out of curiosity, why are you allowed to say that NHI pilots came out of the craft, but you can't Go more?
David Grusch (00:45:30):
Well, that's all I put in the pre-publication stuff that got approved. I mean, I could go back and ask for any specific knowledge I garnered when I was on the other side of the door. If I want to talk about that publicly. Everybody who has had a job I have has to submit to a thing called DOPSR at the Pentagon, DOD, pre-publication security review, even if it's about this stuff. I know it sounds insane, but you literally have to say, this is what I want to talk about.
Speaker 22 (00:45:57):
Why do you think they approved it?
David Grusch (00:45:58):
Catch 22. So they'd have to self-identify and highlight their concerns to redact. So the office who would propose a redaction say it's a three letter agency or whatever. So they would have to self-acknowledge. So I think when I submitted that they had a choice. Either we try to sequester Dave's ability to speak publicly and try to tell him no, but then we have to give him a reason and tell 'em what organization said no. If it got redacted like that and it cited what organization and what security reason it is, I would just publish that and then the public can make its own interpretation why the US government's withholding information about that kind of thing and wanted to sequester my speech.
Speaker 22 (00:46:42):
You were also honest in the hearing and definitively said you hadn't seen the bodies. Is that right?
David Grusch (00:46:47):
Not personally.
Speaker 22 (00:46:47):
No. Not personally. No. No. So just people who very high trust you had sort of a lot of intersection with career-wise with them. But
David Grusch (00:46:58):
They have the people that I interviewed have, and they were some of the people that were interviewed by the Inspector General. That was the thing is people were like, oh, hearsay, whatever. Okay, I understand secondhand. I literally brought the people firsthand to the authorities. I'm just here as the meeting monkey or the unifier trying to bring everybody together and bring the people who do have that knowledge to the right people.
Speaker 19 (00:47:25):
Which Feels also that this were the perfect set of circumstances for you to be the one that blows the whistle, because firsthand knowledge would've put you in a completely different category of being able to disclose this stuff.
David Grusch (00:47:36):
If I became subject of a non-disclosure agreement by becoming a firsthand guy, actually would've hindered me and I would've never been able to do this. I think about some stuff I was denied access to,
Speaker 19 (00:47:46):
And thank God you were right.
David Grusch (00:47:47):
If I signed that non-disclosure agreement, I would've absolutely not been able to go public with this. Then you were like trapped. I would've been trapped.
Speaker 19 (00:47:54):
That's fascinating.
David Grusch (00:47:55):
So it's actually weird that my lack of that, but knowing the people that do though, and I brought those people to the IG, is the only way I was able to get. So the actual reprisal stuff and the access denial stuff actually enhanced my ability to operate. But I will tell you, I've talked to these people in the program, they are just so afraid because the way it was enforced over the years, the threatening nature of some of their indoctrinations where they're like, this is treason. You're going to Leavenworth if you ever tell anybody not in the program. And oh, by the way, what's the penalty for treason? Oh, right. Execution. Right?
Speaker 22 (00:48:29):
Did you ever at any point try to suss out whether you were being lied to? Because all these people
David Grusch (00:48:34):
oh, a hundred percent
Speaker 22 (00:48:34):
are coming from the same programs, and so presumably there's some level of coordination between, so how do you kind of get through and just make sure that they're not meeting in some back room saying, you say this, Dave, I'll say this today. That's a
David Grusch (00:48:47):
Great question. Yeah, no, for sure. So I also went out of my way to find people who don't know each other either that through methods, making sure I'm not getting circular reporting, not a part of some other kind of faction that might want to push a certain narrative out. Me and I had higher ranking colleagues of mine go who were part of the same effort in their official capacity. Go talk to other people that I didn't even personally talk to to keep that separation. So they didn't know that they were feeding some of that information back to me. I had a bunch of people go out just to make sure I wasn't being targeted. I had other people conduct oral history interviews, but they were getting the same information. We took all that, and I'm like all the people who conducted those interviews, I made them get interviewed by the Inspector General crossing our T's here.
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This shit is crazy. And I mean, you can never be perfect, but man, I was so freaking careful to make sure I wasn't getting fed some bullshit. And the quality of people we talked to, if they ever go public, it'll blow your mind who we talk to. I mean, we're talking to some serious players that were confirmed by the Senate years ago that we talked to, and I'll just leave it at that. I mean, I hope that they eventually go public. I understand the reputational hazards, their hazards to their legacy. They might have a slightly different thought process in me about protecting the information and what should be acknowledged. But I think if they want to do the right thing before they sunset in their lives, this would be a noble thing to do. If they're watching right now and they know who they are, and it'd be great.
Speaker 19 (00:50:37):
The past days have gotten me up to like, okay, I 90% trust this guy. This was taking the 90 to a hundred. To be able to see that part and see his eyes light up in certain things that he talked about, that ultimately to me, that's my compass in my life. It's not about someone giving me a set of information that I believe in or not, but it's a certain feeling that I get from another human. And that's ultimately, that's where this journey started following curiosity of me meeting Melanie who was in our Berkshire story, who really, I felt such strong empathy towards her and being able to experience the same thing with Dave that I experienced with her just gives me that much more confirmation that this is a path that we're meant to be on, that we want to be on. We did it, boys, we did
Speaker 23 (00:51:17):
It. We did it. We
Speaker 36 (00:51:18):
Did it. We did it.
Speaker 19 (00:51:30):
One of the most prominent, incredible characters in the UFO world today is Dr. Gary Nolan, a name that you heard here a couple of times already.
David Grusch (00:51:37):
Gary Nolan as publicly stated. He had weird stuff with the phenomenon as a kid. And this is a noble nominee, world-class cancer researcher, tenured professor at Stanford, extremely intelligent guy. And he espouses like, look, I had a personal connection with the phenomenon.
Speaker 19 (00:51:52):
There is a lot to be impressed by in regards to Dr. Nolan's accomplishments. He's an inventor, immunologist, a professor at Stanford University, a Nobel Prize nominee, and the list goes on and on. In my opinion though, what I find most impressive about Dr. Nolan is his courage to be outspoken on his beliefs on the UFO phenomenon and his personal experience with it. Jesse connected the dots once again, and Dr. Nolan agreed to meet us at his lab at the Stanford School of Medicine.
Speaker 36 (00:52:19):
This was developed by one of my postdocs, Mike Angelo, who's now a professor here. It actually reads metals. It's in a vacuum That's an ion gun. Yep. He's putting it in. Yep. There it is. And then it'll start shooting. I search on wrong the cell
Speaker 19 (00:52:34):
Baller. So dumb right now.
Speaker 37 (00:52:39):
Hello? Hello, hello.
Speaker 19 (00:52:41):
Seeing some UFO pieces. Yeah, we can pull that out again and maybe towards the end has discussing the topic and going deeper into the research affected your career negatively in any way.
Speaker 36 (00:52:56):
I'm sure a little bit. I mean, I know that there are people who've said, oh, Gary, what's he doing? But first of all, I don't care, but even before I got involved with UFOs, I had plenty of ideas that everybody said, well, that's not going to work, or Why are you doing that? And it is like, I know it's going to work
Speaker 19 (00:53:17):
Because people pushed you back on wanting to start companies earlier on in your career,
Speaker 36 (00:53:21):
Right? Yeah. Well, they said, you're an assistant professor, you shouldn't be starting a company. Why? I mean, if you let other people define your life and what the questions you can ask, stop.
Speaker 19 (00:53:33):
Amen.
Speaker 36 (00:53:34):
Wow. So just go for it. No one else is going to do it. If you are so have a burning desire to do it and you're going to let at the people stop it. Imagine other people who don't have your confidence who are also being stopped. I've
Speaker 19 (00:53:49):
Always thought that the implications of the secrecy around the phenomenon, if true, then it's probably the biggest violation against science that has ever existed because we've kept it secret. We've prevented some of the brightest minds that have walked on this planet to look into it. That's infuriating.
Speaker 36 (00:54:09):
Oh yeah. For me, what infuriates me is lost potential. And so that's an example of lost potential. My personal anecdotes are not enough. If I want to convince scientists, there has to be a scientific approach to the whole thing. And now I'm sort of in the right place at the right time with the right tools and the right talents to do it. I mean, it's almost amazing that I have the kinds of analysis tools in my laboratory alone that are sufficient to allow me to ask some of the questions that will answer what some of the materials are and how they're put together, whether it's real or not. It's a phenomena that multiple people experience enough people have experienced it that as we were talking earlier, asking the question about it is going to lead to an answer no matter what. And it's going to be an interesting answer. If it's some sort of delusion, why do people have the delusion? I mean, that's the easy way to explain it away. But if it has some kind of reality that's even more interesting. So it's worth asking,
Speaker 19 (00:55:13):
Why do you think we've shut down every person that have tried to ask these questions up until a couple of years ago,
Speaker 36 (00:55:19):
People have a mindset about what reality is and how it's composed. You could probably go a thousand years ago to a village somewhere and say, Hey, there's a bunch of people who live in the next village or that on an island somewhere and they don't look like us. And you would get a lot of people going, oh, I don't believe it, because it's effort to change your worldview or to use your brain. And so I think that's just sort of, it's built into our psyche to be inherently conservative. There's something worth studying here. It is not understandable in human terms. I look at something like that and I say, wow, okay, I can now imagine all kinds of different possibilities of what it might be, which as a scientist gets me excited. I don't mind a critic. I just don't want for you to position it down to shut them down and not ask the question in the first place, because that is what holds everybody back. Suddenly, I had in my laboratory a whole bunch of instruments of different flavors that could work on metals. And so around that time, I bet Jacques and others, and I said, Hey, we've got this stuff and here's likes a whole bunch of them. We've got this stuff, much of which is metals. Can you help us? And
Speaker 19 (00:56:46):
What's
Speaker 36 (00:56:47):
How you, these are all from mostly through Jacques claimed to be from debris, from debris left over or something left behind, something that dropped off a craft. And these molten metals that are often seen, Jacques has spent enormous amount of time over the decades tracing the stories, getting a chain of custody, speaking to the people individually, speaking to the people around the people, and accepting nothing as it's told, but distilling it down to a set of things that, some of which was able to share with me
Speaker 19 (00:57:25):
From how many countries, some
Speaker 36 (00:57:29):
Brazil, United States, France,
Speaker 19 (00:57:32):
There's this perception that this is an American phenomenon. This only happens. So that's why I asked.
Speaker 36 (00:57:38):
No, it's not. I mean, it's reporting bias, that's all. Yeah, it's just reporting bias. I published the first ever peer review paper on that, and that was from a olten metal that fell in an area called Council Bluffs that many people had seen this glowing object that had lights rotating around it, and then they saw something drop from it and it was glowing. And then they arrive, including the police arrive, and there's a big pool of olten metal on the ground. Okay, why? What is it? So I look at this and it's interesting in and of itself, but well, okay, well, why does A UFO need to drop molten metal? I don't know. So when you look at that, or you look at another one, this is from somebody in Australia, which is another metal that dropped off of something, and he has, I mean, I have big chunks of it. He says it has a story behind it that is worth follow up.
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So okay, well, that's not the same as that. Yeah, it's variety is great. And there's another one that I've got, which is from here in California. And so here you have three or four different things that appear to drop something and they have a good story behind them. And so what's the similarities? What's the difference? What is it? I don't know yet. And again, I'm not going to say this proves anything. I'm just going to say, here's the range of things that people have, and here's the stories that go look in the appendices about what the details of the story, and here's what they're made of.
Speaker 34 (00:59:22):
What's the most interesting data right now that you found?
Speaker 36 (00:59:25):
Looked at certain isotopes in the material and found that one of them had natural magnesium ratio and the other had magnesium ratios that were so far off earth normal. But the only way you could interpret them, frankly, is that they were engineered or they were part of an industrial process that resulted in them because there's no reason to do it. I mean, right now we just use the mix. We use whatever we dig out of the ground, and it's got 80%, nine and 11, let's say, of the three different isotopes in the percentages adding up to a hundred, and we use it. But it turns out that actually physicists and chemists are starting to realize that there are subtle differences that can be used to accomplish electronic goals down at the atomic level that the general mix doesn't do. People have done sort of elemental and some isotopic analysis of these things. But I'm going to go to the next level. I'm going to get the atomic positions of things in a volume to show how the atoms are organized. So you're
Speaker 19 (01:00:32):
Basically developing the instrumentation now to be able to even go deeper? Yeah.
Speaker 36 (01:00:37):
Well, there's instrumentation available that I'll use to do this, but I'm tweaking it in a way that will make it even better.
Speaker 19 (01:00:45):
For a closing question. If you have a message to the world that this very interesting moment that we're living as we're seeking discomfort and realizing that we might not be alone, we've never been alone.
Speaker 36 (01:00:58):
Well, I think that, I mean, if seeking discomfort is the catchphrase of the moment, realize on the other side of discomfort is pleasure. And if pleasure is information and for most people like me, it is, then this is probably the most pleasurable moment ever that we will realize that we're not alone, that there's others, and to me, it's actually a hopeful moment because if we are living on the edge of disaster and apocalypse and just look at the zeitgeist of the moment in the movies, every other movie or television show is about an apocalypse and almost I'm tired of them here. You have a civilization that has made it past that inflection point, and they're here perhaps, if anything, only to show us that you can do it too. How's that?
Speaker 19 (01:01:52):
Beautiful. Amazing. What a great, amazing.
Speaker 34 (01:01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 19 (01:01:55):
I can't believe what I just held in my head.
Speaker 38 (01:01:58):
Me too. If true, this stuff came from
Speaker 19 (01:02:03):
Unfathomable places in the universe and it's been
Speaker 34 (01:02:05):
Years of collecting this stuff. This is not something that I just found out. I've been collecting it for
Speaker 19 (01:02:10):
Years. One of my favorite characters that I've gotten to know in my studies is Dr. John Mack, who was chair of psychiatry at Harvard. He's the one that inspired his approach. He was approaching it from a lens of empathy and just really listening to those people that for their whole lives were just shut down in silenced and told that they were crazy. Why the fuck did we do that with our fellow humans? Hundreds of thousands of them, if not millions of them that have shared stories and we were like, fuck you. You're crazy. What was that
Speaker 34 (01:02:39):
Like, Melanie story? Yeah.
Speaker 19 (01:02:41):
I want to figure out what that is first before I try and ask the bigger questions. Almost stories have the power to change the world, and we just wanted to tell a story that is true to us, a story that represents this. The inner journey of what I personally went through over the last three years since it's been such a big part of my life that I never got to share, especially with Melanie. There was always, Melanie is the one that I connected with on a personal level the most, and there was always just, I mean, I've been in touch with her over the past three years and we text back and forth, but she's the one that I was most curious about because she's the one that spoke about what happened to her the least. It wasn't a part of her. It didn't become a part of her story. That's why I think there's so much more to the gap
Speaker 34 (01:03:29):
Are you saw this comment from the video 2020, someone saying, I went into this fully expecting to laugh and probably roll my eyes a good bit. Now I'm sitting here with shields too scared of my new perception of reality to go to bed. It's exactly what people are expecting when they hear about UFO and aliens that they're going to laugh. But then a new perception of reality can be created and hopefully not a scared one. Hopefully an inviting and loving one. Just
Speaker 21 (01:03:51):
The willingness to be open to a new understanding of reality. We can be so closed off because we want to protect the world we've been conditioned by and the bubble we've created. Yeah. If anything, I hope that people watching this will watch this with an open mind that's maybe possible that I can expand the way I see this
Speaker 19 (01:04:17):
A fashion icon. Cute. She really is. She so cute. Yeah, she is.
Speaker 21 (01:04:24):
Sorry.
Speaker 19 (01:04:25):
No worries.
Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
How are you? We're so happy to see you. Wasn't it hard to find it? No, no. It's super easy. Good to see you. It's been too long. And sky, it's great, the uk. Good to see you, my love. Good to see you too, honey. Well, welcome to the Berkshires. Welcome up to our house here.
Speaker 19 (01:04:46):
Feels so amazing to just be back and seeing her again. She's such a sweetheart. She was really my entry to this.
Speaker 21 (01:04:52):
Do you want to hold them? Yeah.
Speaker 34 (01:04:55):
Oh, lovely Cat.
Speaker 21 (01:05:01):
We smells great. This is Moses. Hi. Shedding. Now he's got, come on. So how was the trip?
Speaker 19 (01:05:17):
Just the whole journey of being with Dave from the moment he landed in Washington to us leaving together with him to go to his home. Yeah,
Speaker 21 (01:05:25):
Sit. Make yourself at home when you're here, you have to make yourself a home. I could tell you how much I respected him because I could tell that there was a fear in him, but at the same time, he wasn't having it. He was, I'm going to tell this. I know that I've been through hell with this, what they've put me through, but I'm going to talk about it. I really am afraid for him. At the same time, I'm afraid for him and his wife, but I really respected him. He's become the voice of people like me. You get it? Yeah, absolutely. Well, he knows the things that I can't talk about or the things that I saw. He knows what they're talking about. He's protecting someone like me that doesn't have a voice. I was beaten down as a child. It happened my whole life, but I was so beaten down as a child. So someone like him that comes forward and speaks to it, speaks about it is my hero. He is my hero. We're
Speaker 19 (01:06:34):
Going to definitely let him know that. Thanks for
Speaker 21 (01:06:38):
You too.
David Grusch (01:06:39):
Love you. Love you. Bye Melanie. Speak soon. You will. What a woman. Hey, what's up?
Speaker 19 (01:06:45):
We just left Melanie's home in the Berkshires, and there's something that I just needed to tell you right away. We asked her what the hearing meant to her and she just started tearing up how you spoke, gave her a voice and gave to everyone that has gone through an experience like that. It was so emotional and I just wanted you to know that the people that have gone through things are seeing you and appreciating you for what you've done, and it was so beautiful to just witness. So yeah, we left Melanie's with a full heart and hope for a future where more people can speak their truth without fear of being silenced. For me, this journey has been less about trying to figure out what the phenomenon is and more about why we fail to believe each other for so long.
Speaker 39 (01:07:28):
Are you sorry now that you did tell people what you saw? Yes, I am. I'm sorry. Because it is not the truth, but it's just the idea, the reaction of the people. They think you're a nut to tell you the truth. That's just what they figure you are.
Speaker 19 (01:07:42):
I hope that we've managed to spark your curiosity on the phenomenon and deepen your empathy towards the humans who've risked it all to share their truth with the world. Let this be a moment where we choose love over fear, curiosity over skepticism. The human spirit has always sought to explore the unknown, and now we have to do just that. So let's come into it with an open mind and cultivate a deeper understanding of our existence on this beautiful planet. May this be a quest for truth, love, and humanity.
Speaker 40 (01:08:10):
I think that in space there's no love. Down here, there is, there is love. Yes.
Speaker 41 (01:08:38):
Extra terrestrial, metaphysical, being here to wake your well and smoke all of your vegetables. Whether you like it or not, I give in in Trudeau on your writer's block back, son, catch me on the mothership with a rifle cock open mind. Get the gun point. I don't fight a lot. Is this a light show or are they really here? Yeah. This shit happened on your millionth year. Your wells, but don't die shook. I bet your is wish and wells never cried. Time. Prove now. No one believes the moon. The Lords the sun relieved.
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