2023-06-27 - Nieuwe Revu / Max Moszkowicz "Even Mussolini Saw Them Fly"
Editor Note - I was not able to find the original interview in Dutch and therefore was not able to check the translation for accuracy.
EVEN MUSSOLINI SAW THEM FLY
by Max Moszkowicz
Slowly the realization dawns that we are not alone in the immense universe. In the US in particular, this discussion has started after several presidents set up committees that are seriously working on uaps (unidentified aerial phenomenon). New Revu spoke to UFO whistleblower David Grusch, who reveals the existence and possession of UFOs and the bodies of
Before we go to the conversation with David Grusch, a little background: I've been covering everything about UFOs/ UAPs for Nieuwe Revu for two years now. Two weeks ago, both I and two other Dutch journalists came across the presumed evidence of alien existence from my source, who wishes to remain anonymous for the time being. We got a preview of the interview in which CIA whistleblower David Grusch steps out of the shadows of his duty of secrecy within the UAP task force and reveals that the Americans have been in possession of UFOs/UAPs for decades.
We were also presented with documents that support Grusch's claims. According to Grusch, these UFOs have been either crashed and recovered by secret services over the past ninety years, or excavated as if they were an archaeological find. Since then, according to insiders of this renowned whistleblower, very select organizations have been trying to figure out how the crashed, presumably non-terrestrial devices work. According to these insiders, the technology used is light years ahead of our technology, which would explain the great importance of the decades of secrecy and cover-up mechanisms by the US government, among
The run-up Let's rewind the tape for a moment to 2017. To the moment that journalists Lesley Kean and Ralph Blumenthal came out via The New York Times with the historic news that American military tary jet fighter pilots regularly observe UFOs/UAPs in US airspace with their FLIR on-board cameras. The accompanying leaked images are shared by CNN and soon go around the world. It is not a curly boy who leaked the images and information, it concerns Christopher Mellon, the former chief of the American secret services.
Mellon's confidant and accomplice Luis (Lue) Elizondo, who ran the secret research program AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Investigation Program) for the Pentagon for ten years, becomes the face of "UAP disclosure." In his role as ambassador of the phenomenon, he conducts many interviews, including with the undersign It marks the starting point of f linking rumblings within the US political, military and secret service ranks.
Feeling left out of important information about this phenomenon, the US Parliament is forcing former President Donald Trump to make one of the latest feints of his political career, his ultimatum that the Secret Service be given 180 days to divulge everything they know about UAPs with the to share. Some of this information may even be shared with civilians, provided it will not compromise US national security. What emerges is that in recent decades more than 144 observations have been made by the military that could not be explained other than as uap, i.e. unidentified.
From that moment on it starts to bubble and simmer in Washington. Politicians openly get in each other's hair and smear each other with mud in public. In addition, Luis Elizondo also has to suffer. He is framed as a charlatan, as someone who exaggerates his own role within the Pentagon. He is just not put away as the janitor of the gymnasium. The late Senator Harry Reid (1939-2021), who himself had set up the research program and secured the funding for it, saves Mellon and Elizondo with an official letter confirming that Elizondo had really led the secret research program AATIP and was therefore not a charlatan. Yet the duo are constantly discredited by enemies with a different agenda in the Capitol. Under great pressure from these anti-campaigns, Mellon and Elizondo decide to step out of the UAP spotlight. But under the radar, they continue to make visits to Capitol Hill, where they continue to inform senators with a listening ear — including Marco Rubio, Mark Warner, and Kirsten Gillibrand.
The benevolent political and military whistleblowers promise to bring out more revelations about the phenomenon, and a lively stream of podcasters, journalists and influencers starts interviewing anyone and everyone who might have something to say about the UAP sightings.
However, apart from the leaked – difficult to assess – images, not much more comes out. Moreover, they are fragments that lack a clear scientific basis, such as radar data, radio signals or biologically exotic trace material, which means that they lack convincing power. The only thing to hold onto is the fact that there were several trained military eyewitnesses who saw the same thing at the same time, under the same circumstances, and made the images from UAPs.
I also concluded that from interviews I had with Luis Elizondo in March and May 2021. In it, he revealed that, according to him, the Pentagon seems to have been bothered for decades by UAPs that appear above military air bases where nuclear weapons are stored.
I came across the former Air Force officer Robert Salas, who in 1967 was in charge of the nuclear 'minute man' missiles at 'Malmstrom Airbase', which were then ready to be fired at Moscow during a nuclear conflict with the Russians.
Salas was responsible for the missiles, and when necessary he had to fire them at Moscow and Saint Petersburg.
Salas said that one day he received a hysterical phone call from a member of the military police guarding the airport above ground. The panicked MP roared that there was an orange orb hovering over the base, moving aggressively back and forth. Salas hurried to the subterranean panel where the missile buttons were located and watched them flash red one by one. Which indicated: missile disabled. According to Salas, the UAP therefore disabled its nuclear missiles. Salas, like Elizondo, also admitted that this turned out to be the order of the day, and that the military leadership was at a loss about this.
In doing so, Elizondo claimed that America was not the only superpower affected by UAPs. He indicated that both friendly and hostile states (Russia) observed the same phenomenon and did not know what to do with it for decades.
In May 2021 I also had the honor of interviewing the late Senator Harry Reid, the politician who not only helped put Bill Clinton and Barack Obama in the saddle, but also single-handedly funded AATIP and its predecessor AWSAP from politics. He raised $22 million from parliament and the rest of the budget was supplemented by the controversial billionaire Robert Bigelow. Senator Reid also said that he considers the invulnerability of the UAPs observed by the Air Force and Navy a security risk, and that it is incomprehensible to him why the US government is not doing more with it. However, he gave a possible explanation. Reid once requested to take a look at aviation development company 'Lockheed Martin', but was denied access to the company without batting an eyelid.
The Whistleblower
Back to today and New Revu's conversation with David Grusch. A whistleblower who, despite his still valid 'top secret security clearance GS-15', decides to reveal that American possession of UAPs exists. Grusch has verifiably worked with the highest security clearance within the Pentagon, including the UAP task force. This is the branch of the Pentagon that conducts UAP research on a more secretive level, namely under the umbrella of the NGA (National Geospatial Agency), which has much more information and documentation of possible alien visits to Earth. According to Grusch, UAPs research goes back more than eight decades.
In the opinion of Grusch, who is no longer active within the UAP task force, his organization has not told the US parliament everything about the possession of uaps, despite enforced transparency. In fact, he claims that there is an organization that operates even more secretly within the Pentagon and has information that has not been shared with the UAP task force. However, he has received much notice in other ways, receiving backing from military and Secret Service heavyweights such as his superior, Colonel Karl E. Nell.
Grusch's main claim: there is indeed exotic biological material in the hands of the US made from non-human superior technology. In fact, he is talking about several crashed UFOs and even the bodies of aliens. Grusch indicates that he has seen and partly also possesses documents that prove his claims. The problem, however, is that he is not allowed to show these documents and that his story therefore remains mainly anecdotal since he himself never saw UFOs or aliens during his years of service. But Grusch also confirms, just like Senator Reid, that Lockheed Martin may have the salvaged alien technology and is using this new alien technology in their development programs on behalf of the state.
I myself was allowed to see these 'official documents' a few weeks ago from my anonymous source who is close to Grusch's inner circle and they seem genuine to me. They bear official logos and are signed by the IG – an officially appointed and designated person who has to sign for the authenticity of a secret document – or the inspector general. It is certain that everything about uaps moving within US borders (land, airspace and waters) is and remains strictly confidential. But that which does not occur or has not occurred on sovereign American territory and, moreover, is already quite dated, is not (yet) regulated. Grusch can share this with the outside world.
The most imaginative revelation is that there is a U.S.- owned UAP/UFO that crashed near the northern Italian town of Magenta in the early 1930s. But how did the Americans come into possession of this UFO? In 1933 the Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini is briefed by his panicked secret service about a crashed air vehicle that they don't recognize as anything human. Initially, the Italians think that the German neighbors have lost a secret weapon, but they know nothing about it. An Italian variant of Area 51 is being released from the ground and an attempt is made to study the vehicle.
During World War II, the Americans invade Italy via Sicily, after which they eventually also encounter the UFO. The object will be transported to America and stored in presumably Area 51/S-4. A Mr. Roberto Pinotti, who heads a UFO research organization (ICER) in Italy and was a former head of the Italian secret service, got his hands on the authenticated government documents, according to him through an anonymous benefactor.
In it you can read the cover up of the Italian secret service via telegram correspondence with Il Duce. It says freely translated: the media must report that a meteorite has hit and not an unknown alien plan Grusch owns a document with a drawing of the UFO, supplemented with notes from someone in Mussolini's entourage. And then there's Grusch's claim that the US is also in possession of two alien bodies found at the site in Magenta where the uap crash took place in 1933. According to Grusch, these were also transported to Area 51 and put in formaldehyde there. The whistleblower added en passant that a total of eleven UFOs were recovered and then hidden from the outside world.
It is high time to put the whistleblower to the test himself.
[Added identifiers to the following interview]
Moskowicz: Are you threatened by what you are now revealing?
Grusch: "I can't comment on that, but very unpleasant things have happened, both on a personal and career level."
Moskowicz: Why are you ringing the bell?
Grusch: “I know that the US Department of Defense has crucial information information from Congress, specifically the possession of UAPs and alien remains by our secret services. They refuse to share crucial information and deny its existence. It is even criminal to withhold this information from your drivers. That's why I started ringing the bell.'
Moskowicz: How were you able to do that? Do you have some sort of security clearance?
Grusch: "That is partly due to the NDAA whistleblower act that the guarantees whistleblower protection. I filed a complaint in May 2022 and had an intelligence officer testimonial drawn up.”
Moskowicz: How did you get the inspector general to let you share information about the Mussolini UAP?
Grusch: "Because this UAP crash happened on Italian soil and it happened almost 90 years ago."
Moskowicz: Are only America and Italy involved?
Grusch: "No, there are also known cases in Russia, for example. It even resulted in a race with the Russians to see who could master the UAP technology first."
Moskowicz: What is the most important thing this uap technology can offer humanity?
Grusch: "One of the most scandalous aspects of withholding the technology is that we could have been generating clean energy for decades, but consciously continue to pollute the earth with oil. Climate change tech is being withheld. This technology has the potential to have an enormously positive impact on the ecosystem. The Department of Energy, which is also part of the secret services, has some explaining to do, because this is a crime against humanity and the earth. We use the tech for war and not for peace and the nature. The people who withhold this will one day have to apply for amnesty somewhere for crimes against humanity."
Moskowicz: Has anyone tried to address this before?
Grusch: "Yes, but they have disappeared, or have been silenced with serious threats. This is life-threatening knowledge."
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