2020-05-27 - Steven Greenstreet / "Eric Davis on working for Pentagon UFO program"
Source Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3CcaP3yAkc
Steven Greenstreet (00:24):
Were you involved with AATIP?
Eric Davis (00:26):
Yes, I was.
Steven Greenstreet (00:29):
In what respect were you involved with AATIP?
Eric Davis (00:32):
As a consultant and then the AAWSAP program was where I was actually a subcontractor as an employee here, we were a subcontractor to Biglow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, BAASS on the AAWSAP, which was the other side of AATIP. AATIP was handled out of the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, and AAWSAP was at the Defense Intelligence Agency, and that's the actual funded program that received enough congressional appropriation to hire outside contractors like BAASS and Earth Tech to work on the programs.
Steven Greenstreet (01:09):
Okay. So you ultimately worked for, were part of the Pentagon's UFO program.
Eric Davis (01:19):
Yeah.
Steven Greenstreet (01:21):
What kind of stuff did you do for the Pentagon UFO program?
Eric Davis (01:25):
Oh, basically what I just discussed was we had, well, first of all, we gave technical advice to the field investigation. We'd get information in data on reports, and we would do physics analysis and report back on what our pending or assessments on the field investigations and data was on a variety of observations and encounters of UFO phenomenon. But one big main part of our work was to hire 38 independent expert scientist in industry, academia, and government to write defense intelligence reference documents on future transformation concepts for concepts that we can envision in the year 2050, and take what we have in our existing really advanced physics and really advanced aerospace technology and evolve it to the future of 2050 and see what it looks like and see if we can compare, see if we have any hopes of developing an advanced technology in 2050. That's comparable to the TIC-TAC UFOs that the USS Nimitz and Roosevelt encountered, and the other type of UFOs that the other naval warships have encountered out in the Middle East and elsewhere around the Pacific and Atlantic.
Steven Greenstreet (02:45):
Okay. So you said that part of your job at sap, right? sap, yeah, sap. SAP was, you would get reports and you guys would study and analyze the physics behind those reports. What kind of reports are you talking about?
Eric Davis (03:02):
Steven Greenstreet (04:14):
I have them, well, I don't have all of them. Only a few I think were released, but I have the one on Traversable wormholes. Okay. One quick thing about osap. So how long did you work with osap?
Eric Davis (04:29):
Five years. From 2007 to 2012.
Steven Greenstreet (04:32):
And then it was shut down, right?
Eric Davis (04:34):
Yeah, because the DI, A director and executive director were against renewing it for another five years. So they were supposed to get another five year appropriation from the Senate through the defense appropriations bill. But they turned it down because they were not given enough complete information to understand what the full scope of the program was. And the reason for that is we were not sure that they would be accepted or receptive of this type of program. So they were only briefed on superficial aspects of the program that they misconstrued to be a waste of money or just unexplained. Why are we putting that kind of money into something that got 38 technical papers come out of it? Well, it was much more than 38 technical papers. And the problem is, is that you have a problem with very biased closed minds where the UFO subject concern, especially if you've got military and civilian leadership that have been raised and educated as evangelical Christians or other religious cults or whatnot, where they object to UFOs as being satanic. Totally.
Steven Greenstreet (05:45):
Got it. Nothing that you worked on though during those five years was considered top secret, correct?
Eric Davis (05:54):
It was. It was top secret SCI, it was TS SCI sensitive compartmentalized information.
Steven Greenstreet (06:01):
So the doc,
Eric Davis (06:02):
It was a TS/SCI.
Steven Greenstreet (06:04):
So the documents I have in my possession, the 38 reports
Eric Davis (06:10):
Are unclassified except for the laser weapon one, which is now, that particular report is now, I think it got unclassified or declassified because the technology is now old and out of date. It's been replaced by more recent solid state weapon technology. That report, well, that report was basically a survey of the existing state of the art of solid state laser weapons at the Navy. And other elements of the DOD have been developing and deploying for testing. So that paper's now old. But anyway, all the other papers, of course, they were unclassified, but that's the nature of those papers. We wanted the authors of those papers to be allowed to publish those papers in the peer-reviewed journals that correspond to their professional discipline. So we deliberately wanted those papers to be unclassified so that the authors can publish those. Matter of fact, my boss, Hal Poff had already published his, let me think.
(07:05):
Yeah. He had already published his Spacetime Metric engineering paper in the Journal of the British and Interplanetary Society during the AAWSAP program. But before his DIRD got published by the DIA, my paper on warp drives, wormholes and negative vacuum energy, the quantum tomography of looking at negative vacuum energy in a variety of squeezed state systems that didn't get published until 2013 in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society. It was also a paper that I presented in the 2011 DARPA NASA 100 year Starship Symposium in Tampa, in Orlando, Florida. And that was in the end of September, 2011. So I presented that DIRD paper as a symposium proceedings. That symposium proceedings was being published along with the others by JB, the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, after they underwent the usual peer review process for acceptance.
Steven Greenstreet (08:08):
Was AAWSAP and AATIP, did they coexist at the same time?
Eric Davis (08:12):
Pretty much. AATIP came before AAWSAP because of the Nimitz encounter. So almost simultaneously. Look, AATIP came a little bit before, but they coordinated.
Steven Greenstreet (08:21):
And they both ended in 2012?
Eric Davis (08:24):
No, no. AATIP never ended.
Steven Greenstreet (08:28):
AATIP never ended.
Eric Davis (08:29):
Nope.
Steven Greenstreet (08:31):
It's still going on today.
Eric Davis (08:33):
Yep.
Steven Greenstreet (08:35):
Who runs it?
Eric Davis (08:36):
Not that name.
Steven Greenstreet (08:37):
Oh, they changed the name,
Eric Davis (08:39):
Changed names, change location, change leadership, so.
Steven Greenstreet (08:44):
What's the new name?
Eric Davis (08:45):
I can't tell you that.
Steven Greenstreet (08:48):
So the reason you know this is because you are still on the inside?
Eric Davis (08:54):
Oh, I'm a still, yeah, I'm still a consultant.
Steven Greenstreet (08:58):
You are still a consultant for the program, formerly known as AATIP?
Eric Davis (09:03):
Correct.
Steven Greenstreet (09:05):
And you're saying it's been renamed, it still exists and it's still being run out of OUSDI?
Eric Davis (09:13):
I won't confirm where it's being run out of, but generally an intelligence program. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe I am confirming it. Yeah. Generally O-U-S-D-I. Yeah, it isn't likely to change locations for any reason. Because of the way the DOD is organized. This is an intelligence operation to gather data, analyze it, evaluated and recommend courses of action. So that falls into the intelligence area.
Steven Greenstreet (09:45):
I got a quote from the DOD that said that AATIP did investigate and research unidentified aerial phenomenon. Does it still investigate unidentified aerial phenomenon?
Eric Davis (10:02):
Yes. I'll confirm that AATIP is still going. It's still owned by the O-U-S-D-I. It's under a new name and that's under new management. And that's about all I can say about it.
Steven Greenstreet (10:14):
Because you are still under contract, right?
Eric Davis (10:17):
No, there's no contract. It's an informing consulting right now because they don't have an appropriation to fund external contractors. So I'm a unofficial, I'm just a consultant and I'm not getting paid to do it. It's just what happens.
Steven Greenstreet (10:34):
But you have signed some kind of NDA, correct?
Eric Davis (10:37):
No, don't need to. I have security clearances.
Steven Greenstreet (10:41):
Okay.
Eric Davis (10:42):
And I've got a history in this business going back to 1996. So all of the program director knows me very well. He knows my boss very well. He knows my former boss very well.
Steven Greenstreet (10:54):
So if you are not contracted nor, why can't you reveal the name of the program?
Eric Davis (11:01):
Well, because I still have security clearances on the record. So under those conditions, we're still patriotic Americans. We don't like to talk about sensitive stuff even if we don't have a contract.
Steven Greenstreet (11:14):
Okay.
Eric Davis (11:16):
It's the rules of the road over there. You have some informal and formal rules.
Steven Greenstreet (11:20):
Why would the Pentagon say that officially to the press? Why would the Pentagon say that AATIP was shut down?
Eric Davis (11:28):
Let me tell you something about the Pentagon. It is not true that the public relations office knows everything that's going on, especially if it's a classified program. There's no automatic procedure by which they are briefed on everything they don't receive. They'd be flooded with information that they don't know what to do with. So basically, they would have to find out about something after the fact in order to make a public comment about it. They don't know what the, let's say they're the right hand. They don't know what the left hand is doing. And that's how your government operates. That's how the Pentagon operates. When they set that statement, they were only slightly correct. The AATIP by that name no longer exists, but as an organization under new leadership, it does exist with the new name. So that statement is incorrect. And that's not because somebody's lying, it's because they simply don't know the answer and they did not know who to ask to get that answer, to get that information from.
Steven Greenstreet (12:24):
Alright. When they came out and said that Luis Elizondo had nothing to do with AATIP whatsoever, the Pentagon said this.
Eric Davis (12:32):
That was a horrible, wrong piece of public relations. That was absolutely incorrect. They did not know what they were talking about. My boss went to report to Lue at the Pentagon in the O-U-S-D-I offices during the AATIP era. So you know who my boss is? Hal Puthoff. Right? Dr. Hal Puthoff.
Steven Greenstreet (12:53):
Right. So your boss reported to Lue?
Eric Davis (12:56):
Yeah, and I'd been over there too. I didn't report to Lue. I wasn't involved with Lue at that time, but I've been involved with the new management.
Steven Greenstreet (13:07):
So are you guys still investigating UFOs at the Pentagon?
Eric Davis (13:13):
Yeah, I would say yeah, of course. They never went away. They never went away, Steve. They're still there. They're still coming up and causing aviation havoc because they're getting in the middle of military aviators operations. And that's dangerous. That's dangerous for those pilots.
Steven Greenstreet (13:33):
I'm going to ask one more time.
Eric Davis (13:34):
Sure.
Steven Greenstreet (13:35):
Could you at least give me a clue? Nugget Breadcrumb about the current AATIP, anything?
Eric Davis (13:43):
That's about all I have for you actually.
Steven Greenstreet (13:45):
Alright. Okay.
Eric Davis (13:45):
That's about it.
Steven Greenstreet (13:46):
I tried my best, Eric.
Eric Davis (13:48):
Okay. That's about it.
Steven Greenstreet (13:50):
All right. Thank you so much.
Eric Davis (13:52):
Take care. Bye-Bye bye-Bye.
Portion deleted after original release regarding the Wilson Davis Notes
Source Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/pvwhsi/heres_the_deleted_video_of_eric_davis_talking/
Steven Greenstreet (00:00):
I want to bring up because we're pressed for time. Tell me about the Admiral Wilson transcript.
Eric Davis (00:07):
I can't discuss that.
Steven Greenstreet (00:09):
You can't Discuss,
Eric Davis (00:10):
I'm not liberty to discuss it.
Steven Greenstreet (00:13):
Because you're all over the-
Eric Davis (00:15):
Oh, I know.
Steven Greenstreet (00:16):
All over it.
Eric Davis (00:17):
Yeah. They were leaked out of Ed Mitchell's estate. There's nothing I can say about it.
Steven Greenstreet (00:24):
I mean, can you speak to the veracity of them?
Eric Davis (00:28):
No, I can't address that at all. I won't answer any questions on the Admiral Wilson notes.
Steven Greenstreet (00:34):
You don't want to speak to, at least whether these are yours?
Eric Davis (00:38):
They're purportedly classified information. I'm not at liberty to confirm or verify any aspect of those notes. And when you have security clearances, that's something you don't want to violate because the Department of Justice under the Obama administration and it's continued under the Trump administration policies, is they will vigorously prosecute anybody with security clearances who will go out of their way to discuss any classified information that got leaked or released into the public illegally or through other means. So I can't address those notes in any form or fashion.
Steven Greenstreet (01:16):
So Canadian Grant Cameron uploaded 15 pages of documents, allegedly notes taken by Dr. Eric Davis in 2002. So whoever this Grant Cameron is, are you familiar with who this person is?
Eric Davis (01:31):
Oh, I used to know him. Yeah. He's a Canadian UFO investigator. He doesn't investigate UFO phenomena. What he investigates is his big claim to fame was investigating the US President's role in the UFO history.
Steven Greenstreet (01:46):
Where did he get these 15 pages from?
Eric Davis (01:49):
I don't know. I've never seen whatever the pages are that he has. I haven't seen those.
Steven Greenstreet (01:54):
Here is what appears to be a letter to you from a Will Miller.
Eric Davis (02:02):
Okay.
Steven Greenstreet (02:03):
Alright.
Eric Davis (02:04):
Well he uploaded it, but I can't address any of it, so.
Steven Greenstreet (02:07):
Alright. So is that a yes? These are real, these are true?
Eric Davis (02:10):
I won't give you an answer.
Steven Greenstreet (02:16):
Okay. Alright. I guess enough of that.
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