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2024-05-08 - Steven Greenstreet "Pentagon UFO Hunter Reveals What He Knows About Aliens"

Sean Kirkpatrick (00:00):

Whenever I lay out, Hey, the data says that's not an alien, that it's not a coverup. They get violent, they get offensive. They start sending hate emails and letters and threatening my family, threatening me, and I find that beyond reprehensible when you start coming after my daughter and my wife. Because what I'm telling you that you're wrong, that it's not an alien, that it's not a coverup, that it's actually something completely different.

Steven Greenstreet (00:34):

Are you still getting threats and harassment since you left? Oh yeah.

Sean Kirkpatrick (00:38):

Yeah. Every time I say something, I'll bet you after your report comes out, I'll get something.

Steven Greenstreet (00:43):

I interviewed Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's UFO office called the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or AARO. Back in 2022, Congress created AARO to investigate claims of aliens and UFOs that have captured news headlines. For the last six years, Sean Kirkpatrick was brought on as Aero's director for 18 months. Under Kirkpatrick's leadership, AARO looked for the aliens. They say they had access to everything and that they looked everywhere. After finishing the investigation and completing his AARO report, Kirkpatrick retired in December, 2023 and in March, 2024, the report was finally released. TLDR. No aliens. Okay, I'm going to jump right into a series of simple yes or no questions, just yes or no. While preparing the AARO report, did you have access to everything you needed, including classified programs and top secret information?

Sean Kirkpatrick (01:49):

Absolutely, yes.

Steven Greenstreet (01:51):

Were you ever denied access to anything while preparing this report?

Sean Kirkpatrick (01:56):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (01:57):

Did you have Title 10 and Title 50 authorities?

Sean Kirkpatrick (02:01):

Yes.

Steven Greenstreet (02:02):

Title 10 and Title 50 authorities are to put it simply permissions you need in order to access certain secret government information. Title 10 gets you access to some secret stuff. Title 50 gets you access to even more secret stuff. So with access to all the top secret information he needed, did Kirkpatrick find any evidence of aliens? Did you find any evidence of alien or non-human technology?

Sean Kirkpatrick (02:31):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (02:32):

Did you find any evidence of alien bodies or the bodies of non-human intelligence?

Sean Kirkpatrick (02:38):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (02:39):

No evidence of aliens. But what about the hundreds of media stories from the last six years full of claims about aliens on earth and other worldly craft? Well, Kirkpatrick's AARO report conclusively states that most if not all of those stories are sourced to the same exact group of UFO activists. Based on your research, can many of the UFO claims from the last six years be traced back to the same exact core group of UFO true believers?

Sean Kirkpatrick (03:13):

As we've put into the report, you'll find section of where a number of these people have worked together over the last couple of decades. The story seems to all point back to them

Steven Greenstreet (03:29):

Sean Kirkpatrick (04:24):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (04:26):

Was AIP an official Pentagon UFO program?

Sean Kirkpatrick (04:30):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (04:31):

Kirkpatrick's AARO report validates and supports my previous reporting at the Post, which revealed that the New York Times UFO article was false and intentionally deceptive. The Times article was co-written by a UFO activist who used as their sources for the article. Other activists in the same group. The aero report states that many in this group were a part of osap, a 2008 Pentagon Aerospace technology program that went off the rails when program contractors misappropriated taxpayer funds to hunt UFOs, ghosts, and monsters at Skywalker Ranch has supposed paranormal hotspot in Utah. Kirkpatrick says the Pentagon had no idea they were doing this. Were the paranormal aspects of the OSAP program like Skywalker Ranch Investigations officially sanctioned by the Pentagon?

Sean Kirkpatrick (05:25):

No, they didn't know anything about that until after the fact.

Steven Greenstreet (05:30):

After the fact, did the contractors and or leaders of OSAP submit reports to the Pentagon regarding paranormal stuff at Skywalker Ranch?

Sean Kirkpatrick (05:39):

Not that I saw.

Steven Greenstreet (05:41):

You said in one of your op-eds that taxpayer money was inappropriately spent by OSAP at Skywalker Ranch. Was there an investigation at the time into this misappropriation of funds

Sean Kirkpatrick (05:53):

That I do not know?

Steven Greenstreet (05:55):

Well then how do you know it was inappropriately spent?

Sean Kirkpatrick (05:58):

Well, because I know it's not in the budget to go and spend money on paranormal research

Steven Greenstreet (06:04):

Over the last two years, I have reported extensively about osap Skin Walker Ranch in this group of paranormal crusaders. You can find links in the description below. A recent addition to this core group of true believers outlined in Kirkpatrick's report is an Air Force reservist named David Grush. Grush is closely associated with many in the group, including some of the Skin Walker Ranch Ghost Hunters. In 2023, Grush went public to claim that the government is secretly hiding, crashed alien UFOs and alien bodies. He also claimed that the aliens have injured and killed earthlings. He presented no evidence for any of this, but all the viral news coverage got the attention of some members of Congress who brought Rush in to testify. Many times during his public congressional testimony, Grush said he could not reveal certain evidence about the aliens because it was super secret and he couldn't reveal the secrets in public. So did he then take his evidence of aliens to AARO the office, both literally looking for evidence of aliens and clear to hear top secret information was David Gresh formally invited to speak with AARO and present evidence of his claims

Sean Kirkpatrick (07:20):

AARO invited him five times. That was documented and put into the,

Steven Greenstreet (07:26):

Did David Gresh actually ever come in?

Sean Kirkpatrick (07:30):

At the time of my retirement, he had not.

Steven Greenstreet (07:33):

Did David Gresham fact refuse to do that?

Sean Kirkpatrick (07:38):

He provided a couple of different reasons at various times of why he didn't want to come in. His lawyer contacted me and had a conversation about it. He did not want to comment in

Steven Greenstreet (07:50):

What Kirkpatrick just said. Here has been a big point of contention because back in 2023, after Grush appeared, before Congress, Kirkpatrick publicly said that Grush had refused to speak with AARO, but Grush publicly in the mainstream media said this was a lie. He said that AARO had never reached out to him, but new official government documents released via the Freedom of Information Act to John Greenwald show that AARO had made multiple attempts to speak with Grush. It is shown that AARO did invite Grush to come in multiple times, and at one point Grush agrees to come in, but never shows leaving the AARO officials waiting in the lobby. Despite all these red flags and debunked claims, a group of congressional leaders have rallied around David Grush and his wild UFO claims. This is the so-called Congressional, UAP caucus. UAP, by the way, is the new official acronym for UFO. Some members of the UAP caucus, which is currently spending taxpayer resources on UFOs weren't impressed or convinced by Kirkpatrick's AARO Report. Congressman Tim Burett, Tennessee, one of the leaders of the so-called House UAP caucus, was asked about what he thought of the AARO report. Burett responded, they're lying to us. They're not telling the truth. Your response?

Sean Kirkpatrick (09:20):

Well, I have not spoken with Tim Burett. He has not requested an AARO brief in the time that I was there, so I am not entirely certain what he's basing his assertions on.

Steven Greenstreet (09:32):

Did any of the members of the so-called Congressional UAP caucus meet with you? Talk with you at all?

Sean Kirkpatrick (09:39):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (09:41):

No.

Sean Kirkpatrick (09:42):

Nope.

Steven Greenstreet (09:43):

It seems kind of strange for a UAP caucus to not talk to the UAP guy.

Sean Kirkpatrick (09:48):

You would think there are certain members of Congress that do not want to engage, I guess did not engage, have not engaged, and they have not come to request anything. At the time that I retired,

Steven Greenstreet (10:05):

Even after the error report was released, some congressional leaders announced that they will still continue to pursue many of the UFO and alien claims that were dismissed in your report as unfounded. What are your thoughts on that?

Sean Kirkpatrick (10:22):

I think as I've mentioned before, that there are folks that are going to believe what they want to believe, and when they have that level of belief, there is no amount of rational thought that you're going to put in front of them that's going to change their mind. I think it is a waste of time for them to continue to pursue that. Congress stood up AARO with all of the authorities and REST resources necessary to go investigate this on behalf of both Congress and the executive branch, and they have done that job and for them to continue to pursue that and call them liars is actually telling the men and women of aero that have been working on this diligent that they are less credible than anybody else that walks in the door and that they are dismissing their commitment to the Constitution and their duty. And I find that beyond reprehensible,

Steven Greenstreet (11:25):

You come off in general as perturbed about a lot of this, if not mildly frustrated. Why is that

Sean Kirkpatrick (11:35):

One of the most frustrating and concerning things that I discovered in this assignment and I've had assignments all over the world doing a lot of really cool stuff.

(11:46):

None of it has given me this level of frustration because the thing that was that we uncovered was that the number of, for lack of a better description, true believers that have the faith of conviction, that the government is covering this up and hiding it. The number of those people that actually exist within the government, within the national security space, people that I've known for decades and worked with on some very sensitive things, to have them sit in my office and tell me face-to-face, I'm not going to help you and support you. I know you're part of the coverup. Even though I'm looking at them going, I only had this job for the last week. I don't know anything about what you're talking about. And then lay out evidence to the contrary for them, for them to ignore all of that and continue to press forward with me.

(12:47):

Allegations is not just frustrating because some of them are in positions of authority that then make it difficult to get a job done and actively obstructing how we're doing business or negating the way we're trying to lay out the evidence that is frustrating. And then to ensure that my people and my team are safe from prosecution because, well, one of the things that I am livid about is the fact that I walked into this job and was told to go do this. It was demanded of me not just by Congress, but by the American people, that I had to be objective and open, follow the data wherever it would go, and I made those promises in testament that I would do so, but that apparently does not apply the other way around. And so whenever I lay out, Hey, the data says that's not what you think it is, it's actually this.

(13:55):

Instead of people going, okay, well, let me follow the homework and see how, yeah, okay, you might be right. No, they get violent, they get offensive. They start sending hate emails and letters and threatening my family, threatening me, and it's all right if you want to threaten me, right? Like I said, I've been all over this world and I've had better people than that. Chase me around. I don't care about that. But when you start coming after my daughter and my wife, because what I'm telling you that you're wrong, that it's not an alien, that it's not a coverup, that it's actually something completely different that is irritating.

Steven Greenstreet (14:41):

And you had somebody arrested the FBI had to arrest someone outside your house, right?

Sean Kirkpatrick (14:46):

Well, we had somebody show up at the place. It was very bizarre, but yes, they came and got 'em.

Steven Greenstreet (14:52):

Are you still getting threats and harassment since you left? Oh yeah.

Sean Kirkpatrick (14:55):

Yeah. Every time I say something, I'll bet you after your report comes out, I'll get some

Steven Greenstreet (15:00):

Regarding the true believers inside government who attacked and fought him just because he said aliens weren't real. Kirkpatrick says he considers their deep rooted beliefs to be religious in nature, a sort of UFO religion.

Sean Kirkpatrick (15:15):

There is absolutely nothing that I'm going to do, say or produce evidentiary that is going to make the true believers convert, if you will. It's almost like a religion. It is basically a religion,

Steven Greenstreet (15:30):

And he considers them to be a potential threat to national security.

Sean Kirkpatrick (15:34):

I think that is disturbing and should be a flag for the national security community because how can you then trust those people if they are not objective enough to understand evidentiary based assertions like that? How can you trust them with our national secrets?

Steven Greenstreet (15:57):

So according to the senior leader of the Pentagon's official UFO office, A UFO religion has infiltrated the US government, influence the US Congress and poses a potential national security threat. This seems like front page news, but you won't find it on the front pages of American mainstream media who mostly ignored Kirkpatrick's AARO report and who continue to publish credulous stories about aliens and UFOs.

Sean Kirkpatrick (16:24):

People make that leap of, Hey, I don't understand what I'm seeing, therefore it must be an alien. There's a whole range of other possibilities between I don't understand what I'm seeing and it's an alien. There's all kinds of other stuff that happens in there, right? Why people make that jump. I don't know.

Steven Greenstreet (16:46):

Okay. Now for two curve balls, there were two moments during the interview that didn't sit right with me. One was when I brought up the Pentagon's UAP task force. Next, the task force, the UAP task force. This task force was created in 2020. In response to sudden public interest in UFOs. There was sudden public interest in UFOs because of viral news stories promoted by this group of UFO believers in charge of this new Pentagon task force was Jay Stratton, one of the members of this group and former Skin Walker Ranch Ghost Hunter. During the AAWSAP program. Stratton's chief scientist on the task force was Travis Taylor, another skin walker Ranch, ghost Hunter and Star of pseudoscience. Reality shows like Ancient Aliens and the Secret of Skin Walker Ranch. Stratton brought into the task force various paranormal enthusiasts. According to sources, the task force missed multiple incursions of Chinese spycraft over America for years because the task force was instead chasing spooky UFOs.

(17:51):

But in Kirkpatrick's report, the UAP task force only gets two little paragraphs, and those paragraphs basically only talk about how great and successful the task force was. Zero mention of the paranormal stuff. In the same report, AARO goes into great detail about how this group was wasting taxpayer money chasing paranormal things in the AAWSAP program. But when members of the same group get put in charge of yet another program, there are zero mentions of it. This report was supposed to reveal all those details, but here it doesn't. I brought this up to Kirkpatrick Next, the task force, the UAP task force, did some of the same individuals involved in AAWSAP go on to lead and or work on the UAP task force?

Sean Kirkpatrick (18:42):

So to my knowledge, when I came in at Stood Up AARO, the task force had only three full-time people on it, and everybody else that was tapped across the community, the IC or DOD weren't full-time members of the task force. They would support with data and information when asked, but I think that was about it, and those three people lived in the Pentagon.

Steven Greenstreet (19:09):

Okay. Notice how he didn't answer my question here, so I asked him again. Right. Did former OSAP people involved in the OSAP program, were they involved at least initially with the UAP task force?

Sean Kirkpatrick (19:25):

I believe so.

Steven Greenstreet (19:26):

He finally answers yes. Yes. How does that happen? Who put them in those roles?

Sean Kirkpatrick (19:34):

No idea.

Steven Greenstreet (19:35):

Okay. Are you aware that you mentioned some of the third parties that came in. Are you aware that some of those third parties that the U-A-P-T-F brought in were a number of people with fringe beliefs like ghost hunters and psychics and they were brought in to be analysts

Sean Kirkpatrick (19:52):

I was not part of and don't know anything about how they ran the task force. I was actually out in Colorado during all that.

Steven Greenstreet (20:02):

Okay, but during your AARO historical report, you didn't see any of that information?

Sean Kirkpatrick (20:10):

I think the rest of that part of the review will come in volume two.

Steven Greenstreet (20:18):

Oh, really? So there's more on the task force coming in volume two?

Sean Kirkpatrick (20:21):

I don't know for certain. I'd have to direct you back to AARO.

Steven Greenstreet (20:24):

Okay. So he's saying that maybe all the wacky crazy stuff about the task force will come out in a new forthcoming report.

Sean Kirkpatrick (20:32):

Like I said before, the intent was everything we had by the cutoff date for volume one is in volume one, and then anything that we missed or anything that they want to add in there, they will put in volume two. So

Steven Greenstreet (20:46):

Okay, because just for an outsider like me, amateur researcher from the outside, it looks like I read your report. I see you're on record statements and you're like, man, this group has just been telling tall tales and taking advantage and pushing their stuff and inappropriately spending money. And then I see that same group involved with the UAP task force, and I see them more or less doing the same exact thing all over again. You would think that after OSAP and the Pentagon goes, oh my God, what is this group doing that they would be the last people in charge of an official task force after that?

Sean Kirkpatrick (21:25):

Yeah. So I don't know. Like I said, I don't know made those decisions. What I do know is when I was asked to come in and the task force was officially stood down, I started from scratch.

Steven Greenstreet (21:37):

I'm not satisfied with this answer, but Kirkpatrick only gave me 30 minutes for the interview and I didn't feel like eating up more time. The second moment comes when I ask Kirkpatrick if he had a previous history working with UFOs or if he had any previous associations with members of this core group of true believers before AARO. Did you have any interest at all in UFOs?

Sean Kirkpatrick (22:02):

Not beyond the occasional movie

Steven Greenstreet (22:07):

Before AARO. Did you perform any duties regarding UFOs or paranormal phenomena?

Sean Kirkpatrick (22:13):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (22:15):

Did you attend a 2018 Senate Armed Services Committee briefing on Skin Walker Ranch? I asked him this question because in a previous report of mine, I revealed that in 2018, Brandon Fugal, the owner of Skin Walker Ranch, went to Washington DC and gave a briefing to multiple Pentagon officials about the spooky stuff at the ranch. At the briefing were some of the members of this group, fugal told me Kirkpatrick was not only there, but was leading the briefing about Skin Walker Ranch. Did you attend a 2018 Senate Armed Services Committee briefing on Skin Walker Ranch?

Sean Kirkpatrick (22:57):

No. I attended a briefing at the request of Senate Armed Services Committee on what was at that time associated with the A t AAP OSAP research that was going as an independent outside reviewer, and I gave them my opinions at that time.

Steven Greenstreet (23:19):

Who invited you to that briefing?

Sean Kirkpatrick (23:23):

It was one of the staffers.

Steven Greenstreet (23:26):

Okay. One of the staffers on SASC. Got it. And you're saying that this was like an offset of OSAP aip?

Sean Kirkpatrick (23:34):

That's my understanding at the time was it was a spin out of those programs

Steven Greenstreet (23:39):

In 2018. Wow. Okay.

Sean Kirkpatrick (23:43):

Those programs were the research by these independent people because this was not an official government briefing. This was a briefing by people that were not associated with the government.

Steven Greenstreet (23:59):

Okay. So this briefing was not an official DOD Pentagon briefing?

Sean Kirkpatrick (24:03):

Oh, absolutely not.

Steven Greenstreet (24:04):

Okay. Brandon Fugal, the owner of Skin Walker Ranch, says you led that briefing in 2018 and claims you said you were already fully aware of the reality of UFO phenomena. Is that accurate?

Sean Kirkpatrick (24:20):

I wasn't leading anything. I had another job at the time, and I was brought in as an independent objective reviewer of what that SASC was being told.

Steven Greenstreet (24:33):

Okay. This offered a little bit of a curve ball in my reporting, because I did a whole deep dive on Ski Walker Ranch. Brandon Fugal told me about the briefing, said you were there. He said, Kirkpatrick said that UFOs are real in this briefing. And when I reported that, I think the UFO community at the time was like, oh, Kirkpatrick's a UFO guy, because Fugal said so, and then when your report came out, they're like, wait, what the hell?

Sean Kirkpatrick (25:01):

Yeah. No. Kirkpatrick did not say aliens were real

Steven Greenstreet (25:05):

Or UFOs were real. That the reality quote, the reality of UFO phenomena is real.

Sean Kirkpatrick (25:10):

No, I never said that

Steven Greenstreet (25:12):

Before AARO, did you have any association with any of these folks, any of the people in this core group of believers?

Sean Kirkpatrick (25:19):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (25:21):

So when you went to that briefing in 2018 where you said SAP AIP folks were there, you didn't know any of those people?

Sean Kirkpatrick (25:29):

Not at the Tim.

Steven Greenstreet (25:30):

Okay.

Sean Kirkpatrick (25:31):

Not that I remember. I think I met all the people associated with this all at that time was probably around the first that I'd ever met them.

Steven Greenstreet (25:40):

Okay. So he admits that he was at this unofficial 2018 Skin Walker Ranch briefing, but only on invitation and only as an independent objective reviewer. Okay. But seriously, what was he even doing there? How can he say that he had no interest or duties regarding UFOs before 2022? If he's attending briefings in 2018 about one of the most famous UFO spots on planet earth, I could have pushed him more on this, but time was ticking and I wanted to cover more topics. I emailed Kirkpatrick some follow-up questions, and he said this. I ended up at that briefing because a congressional staffer asked me to attend as an objective third party scientist to listen to the presentation. I did not know it was about Skin Walker Ranch until later. I don't recall it being referenced by that name. During the briefing, he doesn't recall Skin Walker Ranch even being referenced.

(26:38):

I replied by sending Kirkpatrick this PowerPoint presentation. Brandon Fugal claims he presented at The Briefing Skin Walker Ranch is all over it and it's all about Skin Walker Ranch Kirkpatrick replied, that's not the briefing I recall seeing. The briefing I saw was less polished. Come to think about it. I don't believe it was 2018 that I attended a briefing on the hill. I believe it would've been 2017. In 2018 I was stationed in Colorado. I don't recall ever meeting Fugal. Maybe he's confusing the two meetings. So I reached out to Brandon Fugal about Kirkpatrick's comments. Fugal responded, are you trying to get Kirkpatrick in trouble and destroy his credibility? You better be careful with what you report to which I replied, no. I interviewed him and brought up the 2018 Senate Armed Services Committee briefing you had told me about. I included his response below and would like to give you an opportunity to respond or clarify. Fugal responded. He meaning Kirkpatrick was at that meeting on April 19th, 2018. I give you an accurate account of the meeting and have video photos and witnesses. I then asked Ugal if he could provide any of those videos, photos, or witnesses. Fugal did not respond at the time of this video's publishing. This is all very confusing, and at this point, I simply don't know who to believe.

(28:12):

Are you a part of a government coverup to hide aliens or non-human intelligence?

Sean Kirkpatrick (28:19):

No.

Steven Greenstreet (28:21):

Is it possible that you are unknowingly part of a coverup to hide aliens or non-human intelligence?

Sean Kirkpatrick (28:30):

Not likely.

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