2023-06-27 - Nieuwe Revu / Max Moszkowicz "Even Mussolini Saw Them Fly"
Even Mussolini Saw Them Fly
Publication: Nieuwe Revu
Author: Max Moszkowicz
Original publication date: June 27, 2023 (the Blendle item is dated June 28, 2023)
Original Dutch title: “Zelfs Mussolini zag ze al vliegen”
Original Dutch screenshots: SourceComplete Link18-image Imgur album
Original Blendle item: Nieuwe Revu — “Zelfs Mussolini zag ze al vliegen”
Publisher’s excerpt: Nieuwe Revu — “Nieuwe Revu ziet bewijs voor ufo en praat met Pentagon-klokkenluider David Grusch”
Translation notes
EditorThis Noteis -a Ifresh wasEnglish translation made directly from all 18 Dutch screenshots, not ablefrom the Google-translated PDF previously circulated online. Successive screenshots overlap; those overlaps were used to findverify continuity and resolve line-break and OCR artifacts. The translation includes the originalcomplete interviewprose, interview, section headings, pull quotes, and image captions visible in the screenshots. Speaker identifiers have been added to the question-and-answer section for clarity; the printed article distinguishes the speakers typographically but does not print their names before each exchange.
The Dutch expression “op sterk water gezet” in the Magenta passage has been translated as “preserved in fluid.” Literally, the expression is “put in strong water,” but idiomatically it means preserving a biological specimen in a liquid such as alcohol or formalin. The Dutch article does not specify formaldehyde. The statement also occurs in Moszkowicz’s narrative summary attributed to Grusch, not in a directly quoted Grusch answer.
The article’s factual claims, institutional names, and thereforeoccasional wasawkward constructions have been translated as printed. Translation does not ableimply toverification checkor endorsement. In particular, the translationarticle forprints accuracy.“NGA (National Geospatial Agency),” “AWSAP,” and describes Roberto Pinotti as a former head of Italian intelligence.
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Even MUSSOLINIMussolini SAWSaw THEMThem FLY
Fly
by Max Moszkowicz
SlowlySlowly, the realization dawnsis dawning that we are not alone in the immense universe. In the USUnited States in particular, thisthat discussion has startedgained momentum after severalvarious presidents set upestablished committees that are seriously workingengaged onwith uapsUAPs (unidentified aerial phenomenon). NewNieuwe Revu spoke towith UFO whistleblower David Grusch, who reveals the existence and possession of UFOs and the bodies of non-terrestrial pilots.
Text by Max Moszkowicz
Before we goturn to the conversation with David Grusch, a littlesome background: I'veI have been covering everything aboutconcerning UFOs/ UAPs for Nieuwe Revu for two years now.years. Two weeks ago, both I and two other Dutch journalists cameand acrossI thewere presumedshown evidence of alien existence fromwhat my source, source—who wishes to remain anonymous for the time being.being—regards as evidence of extraterrestrial existence. We gotwere shown a preview of the interview in which CIA whistleblower David Grusch steps out offrom under the shadowsshadow of his dutysecrecy of secrecyobligations within the UAP taskTask forceForce and reveals that the Americans apparently have been in possession ofpossessed UFOs/UAPs for decades.
We were also presented withshown documents that support Grusch'sthese claims.claims by Grusch. According to Grusch, these UFOs have been either crashed and recovered by secret services over the past ninety years,years these UFOs have either crashed and been recovered by intelligence services, or have been excavated as ifthough they were an archaeological find.discoveries. Since then, according to insiderspeople in the circle of this renownedprominent whistleblower, veryhighly select organizations have been trying to figurework out how the crashed, presumably non-terrestrial devices work.function. According to these insiders, the technology usedemployed is light light-years ahead of our technology, which would explain the great importance of the decades of secrecy and cover-up mechanisms bymaintained by, among others, the USU.S. government, amonggovernment.
The run-up:lead-up
Let us rewind the tape for a moment to 2017. To2017: the moment that journalists LeslieLesley Kean and Ralph Blumenthal camebroke outthe viahistoric news in The New York Times with the historic news that American military jet fighter pilots were regularly observeobserving UFOs/UAPs in USU.S. airspace with their onboard FLIR on-board cameras. TheCNN shared the accompanying leaked imagesfootage, arewhich sharedquickly by CNN and soon gospread around the world. ItThe is not a curly boyperson who leaked the imagesfootage and information,information was no mere office boy: it concernswas Christopher Mellon, the former supreme chief of the American secretintelligence services.
Mellon'Mellon’s confidant and accompliceright-hand man Luis (Lue) Elizondo, who ranfor ten years headed the Pentagon’s secret research program AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Investigation Program) for the Pentagon for ten years,, becomes the face of "“UAP disclosure."” In his role as an ambassador offor the phenomenon, he conductsgives many interviews, including one with theyours undersigntruly. It marks the starting pointbeginning of fconsiderable linking rumblingsturmoil within the USAmerican political, militarymilitary, and secretintelligence service ranks.circles.
FeelingThe leftU.S. outCongress offeels excluded from important information about this phenomenon,phenomenon theand US Parliament is forcingforces former Presidentpresident Donald Trump to makeinto one of the latestlast feints of his political career,career: his ultimatum thatgiving the Secretintelligence Service be givenservices 180 days to divulgeshare everything they know about UAPs with the to share.Congress. Some of this information may even be shared with civilians,the public, provided it willdoes not compromise USU.S. national security. What emerges is thatthat, inover recent decadesdecades, the military establishment has recorded more than 144 observations have been made by the military that could not be explained as anything other than as uap, i.e.UAP—meaning unidentified.
From that momentmoment, onthings it startsbegin to bubble and simmer in Washington. Politicians openly get in each other's hairclash and smearpublicly each other withsling mud inat public.one In addition,another. Luis Elizondo also hasbears tothe suffer.brunt of it. He is framedportrayed as a charlatan, as someone who exaggeratesinflates his own role within the Pentagon. He is justall notbut put awaydismissed as the janitorgym of the gymnasium.janitor. The late Senator Harry Reid (1939-1939–2021), who himself had set upestablished the research program and securedarranged theits fundingfunding, forcomes it, savesto Mellon and ElizondoElizondo’s rescue with an official letter confirming that Elizondo had really leddid lead the secret AATIP research program AATIP and wastherefore thereforeis not a charlatan. Yet the duo are constantly discredited byNevertheless, enemies with a different agenda inon Capitol Hill continually discredit the Capitol.pair. Under greatintense pressure from these anti-campaigns,campaigns against them, Mellon and Elizondo decide to step out of the UAP spotlight. But underUnder the radar, however, they continue to make visits tovisiting Capitol Hill, where they continuekeep informing senators willing to inform senators with a listening ear — listen—including Marco Rubio, Mark Warner, and Kirsten Gillibrand.
The benevolentsupportive political and military whistleblowers promise to bring outforward morefurther revelations about the phenomenon, and a lively stream of podcasters, journalistsjournalists, and influencers startsemerges interviewingto interview anyone and everyone who might havebe somethingable to say something about the UAP sightings.observations.
However, apartApart from the leaked –leaked—and difficult to assessassess—footage, – images,however, not much moreelse comes out. Moreover, theythe are fragments thatclips lack a clear scientific basis,substantiation, such as radar data, radio signalssignals, or biologicallyexotic exoticbiological trace material, whichand meanstherefore thatpossess theytoo lacklittle convincingevidential power.force. The only thing to hold ontoon to is the fact that there were severalmultiple trained military eyewitnesses who saw the same thing at the same time, under the same circumstances, and made therecorded images fromof UAPs.
IPull quote: “Over recent decades, the military establishment has made more than 144 observations that could not be explained as anything other than UAP—meaning unidentified.”
[Image caption: Former president George Bush greets an alien. Photos below: Christopher Mellon and Luis Elizondo.]
Orange orb
That is also what I concluded that from interviews I hadconducted with Luis Elizondo in March and May 2021. In it,them, he revealed that, according to him, the Pentagon seemsappears to have been botheredtroubled for decades by UAPs that appearshow up above military airair-force bases where nuclear weapons are stored.
IThat cameled acrossme theto former Air Force officer Robert Salas, who in 1967 was in chargecommand of the nuclear 'minute“Minuteman man' missilesmissiles” at '“Malmstrom Airbase',Airbase.” whichAt werethe thentime, they stood ready to be fired at Moscow during a nuclear conflict with the Russians.
Salas was responsible for the missiles,missiles andand, whenif necessarynecessary, hewas hadrequired to firelaunch them at Moscow and Saint Petersburg.
Pull quote: “The panicked MP shouted that an orange orb was hanging above the base, moving aggressively back and forth and disabling missiles.”
Salas said that one day he received a hysterical phonetelephone call from a member of the military police guarding the airportairfield above ground. The panicked MP roaredshouted that there was an orange orb was hovering over the base,base and moving aggressively back and forth. Salas hurriedrushed to the subterraneanunderground panel where the missile buttonscontrols were located and watched them flashturn red one byafter one.another, Which indicated:indicating: missile disabled. According to Salas, the UAP therefore disabled itshis nuclear missiles. Salas, likeLike Elizondo, Salas also admittedrevealed that this turned outappeared to be thea orderregular of the day,occurrence and that the military leadership was at a loss aboutover this.it.
InElizondo doing so, Elizondofurther claimed that Americathe United States was not the only superpower affectedtroubled by UAPs. He indicatedsaid that both friendly andas well as hostile states (Russia) observed the same phenomenon and didhad not knowknown what to do withabout it for decades.
In May 20212021, I also had the honor of interviewing the late Senator Harry Reid, the politician who not only helped put Bill Clinton and Barack Obama in the saddle,office, but also single-handedly fundedsecured political funding for AATIP and its predecessorpredecessor, AAWSAP from politics.AWSAP. He raisedobtained $22 million from parliamentCongress, and the rest of the budget was supplemented by the controversial billionaire Robert Bigelow. Senator Reid also said that he considersconsidered the invulnerability of the UAPs observed by the Air Force and Navy a security risk, and that he found it is incomprehensible to him whythat the USU.S. government iswas not doing more withabout it. However,He hedid, gavehowever, offer a possible explanation. Reid once requestedasked to take a look atinside aviationthe aerospace development company 'Lockheed Martin',Martin, but was flatly denied access to the company without batting an eyelid.access.
[Image caption: The Whistleblowerlate Senator Harry Reid.]
The whistleblower
Back to todaythe present, and Newto Revu'Nieuwe Revu’s conversationinterview with David Grusch.Grusch: Aa whistleblower who, despite his still still-valid '“top secret security clearance GS-15',15,” decides to reveal that UAPs are in American possession of UAPs exists.possession. Grusch has verifiably worked inside the Pentagon with the very highest security clearanceclearance, including within the Pentagon, including the UAP taskTask force.Force. This is the branch of the Pentagon that conducts UAP research onat a more secretivesecret level, namely under the umbrella of the NGA (National Geospatial Agency), which haspossesses much more information and documentation ofconcerning possible alienextraterrestrial visits to Earth. According to Grusch, research into UAPs research goes back more than eight decades.
In the opinionview of Grusch, who is no longer active within the UAP taskTask force,Force, his organization has not told the USU.S. parliamentCongress everything about the possession of uaps,UAPs, despite enforcedthe transparency.transparency imposed upon it. In fact, he claims that there is an organization exists that operates even more secretly within the Pentagon and haspossesses information that has not been shared with the UAP taskTask force.Force. However,A great deal has nevertheless reached him through other channels, and he has received much notice in other ways, receiving backing from military and Secret Serviceintelligence heavyweights such as his superior, Colonel Karl E. Nell.
Grusch'Grusch’s mainprincipal claim: thereclaim is indeedthat exotic biological material increated the hands of the US made from non-humanthrough superior technology.nonhuman Intechnology fact,is indeed in U.S. hands. More than that: he isspeaks talking aboutof several crashed UFOs and even the bodies of aliens. Grusch indicatessays that he has seenexamined documents—and partly also possesses documentssome of them—that prove his claims. The problem, however, is that he is not allowedpermitted to show these documentsdocuments. andHis that his storyaccount therefore remains mainlyprimarily anecdotalanecdotal, since he himself never saw UFOs or aliens during his years of service. But Grusch also confirms, justGrusch, like Senator Reid, also says that Lockheed Martin may havepossess the salvagedrecovered alienextraterrestrial technology and is using this new alien technology in their development programsand, on behalf of the state.state, is applying this new extraterrestrial technology in its development programs.
I myself was allowed to see these 'official documents' aA few weeks ago fromago, my anonymous sourcesource, who is close to Grusch'Grusch’s inner circlecircle, allowed me to inspect these “official documents,” and they seemappear genuine to me. They bear official logos and are signed by the IG – I.G.—an officially appointed and designated person who hasmust sign to signattest forto the authenticity of a secret documentdocument—in –other orwords, the inspector general. It is certain that everything aboutinvolving uapsUAPs moving within USU.S. borders (land, airspaceairspace, and waters) isis, and remainsremains, strictly confidential.classified. But thatthere which doesare not occur(yet) orany hasrules governing things that do not occurredtake place—or did not take place—on sovereign American territory and,and that, moreover, isare already quite dated, is not (yet) regulated.old. Grusch can share this with the outside world.
The most imaginative revelation is that therethe isUnited States possesses a U.S.- owned UAP/UFO that crashed near the northern Italian town of Magenta in the early 1930s. But how did the Americans come into possession ofobtain this UFO? In 19331933, the Fascistfascist dictator Benito Mussolini is briefedinformed by his panicked secretintelligence service about a crashed airaerial vehicle that they don'tdo not recognize as anything human. Initially,At first the Italians nevertheless think that thetheir German neighbors to the north have lost a secret weapon, but theythe Germans know nothing about it. An Italian variantversion of Area 51 is beingquickly released from the groundbuilt, and an attempt is made to study the vehicle.
During the Second World War II,War, the Americans invade Italy viaby way of Sicily, after which they eventually also encountercome across the UFO. The object will beis transported to America and storedstored, inpresumably, presumablyat Area 51/S-4. A Mr.certain Roberto Pinotti, who heads a UFO research organization (ICER) in Italy and was a former head of the Italian secretintelligence service, got his hands onobtained the authenticated government documents,documents that had been verified as genuine—according to himhim, throughfrom an anonymous benefactor.
In it you can read the cover up ofreveal the Italian secretintelligence serviceservice’s viacover-up through telegram correspondence with Il Duce. ItFreely saystranslated, freelythey translated:say that the media must report that a meteorite has hit andstruck, not an unknown alienextraterrestrial planaircraft. Grusch ownspossesses a small document withbearing a drawing of the UFO, supplemented with notes fromby someone in Mussolini'Mussolini’s entourage. And then there'there is Grusch’s Grusch's claimassertion that the USUnited isStates also in possession ofpossesses two alienextraterrestrial bodies found at the site in Magenta where the uapUAP crash took placeoccurred in 1933. According to Grusch, these too were also transported to Area 51 and putpreserved there in formaldehyde there.fluid. The whistleblower added enin passantpassing that a total of eleven UFOs werehad been recovered and thensubsequently hidden from the outside world.
It is high time to putquestion the whistleblower to the test himself.
[AddedImage identifierscaption: The UFO telegram addressed to Benito Mussolini. Right: the followingalien interview]“Skinny Bob.”]
Moskowicz:Pull quote:Are“I know that the U.S. Department of Defense is withholding crucial information from Congress, particularly the possession of UAPs and the physical remains of aliens by our intelligence services.”
Interview
Moszkowicz: Have you been threatened byover what you are now revealing?
Grusch: "“I can'tcannot comment on that, but some very unpleasant things have happened, both on a personalpersonally and career level."professionally.”
Moskowicz:Moszkowicz: Why are you ringingblowing the bell?whistle?
Grusch: “I know that the USU.S. Department of Defense hasis withholding crucial information information from Congress, specificallyparticularly the possession of UAPs and alienthe physical remains of aliens by our secretintelligence services. They refuse to share crucial information and deny its existence. It is even criminal to withhold this information from your drivers.governing That'sofficials. That is why I startedbegan ringingblowing the bell.'whistle.”
Moskowicz:Moszkowicz: How were you able to do that? Do you have some sortkind of security clearance?
Grusch: "“That is partlydue duein part to the NDAA whistleblowerWhistleblower actAct, that thewhich guarantees whistleblowerprotection protection.for whistleblowers. I filed a complaint in May 2022 and had an intelligence intelligence-officer testimonialwitness drawnstatement up.prepared.”
Moskowicz:Moszkowicz: How did you get the inspector general to letallow you to share information about the Mussolini UAP?
Grusch: "“Because this UAP crash happenedtook place on Italian soil andand, moreover, it happened almost 90ninety years ago."”
Moskowicz:Moszkowicz: Are only America and Italy the only countries involved?
Grusch: "“No, therecases are also known cases in Russia, for example. It even resultedculminated in a race with the Russians to seeover who could be the first to master the UAP technology first."technology.”
Moskowicz:Moszkowicz: What is the most important thing this uapUAP technology can offer humanity?
Grusch: "“One of the most scandalous aspects of withholding the technology is that we could have been generating clean energy for decades, but consciouslyinstead deliberately continue to pollutepolluting the earthEarth with oil. Climate Climate-change techtechnology is being withheld. This technology has the potential to have an enormously positive impact on the ecosystem. The Department of Energy, which is also part of the secretintelligence services, has some explaining to do, because this is a crime against humanity and the earth.Earth. We use the techtechnology for war andrather notthan for peace and the nature. The people who withholdwithholding this will one daysomeday have to apply forseek amnesty somewhere for crimes against humanity."”
[Image caption: Chilean dictator Pinochet shakes hands with an alien in 1974. Bottom right: The New York Times reports on flying objects, June 1997.]
Moskowicz:Moszkowicz: HasHave anyonepeople tried to addressraise this issue before?
Grusch: "“Yes, but they have disappeared, or have been silenced with serioussevere threats. This is life-threatening knowledge."”
[Image caption: Whistleblower David Grusch.]